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Posted March 17, 2016 by Taylor Anderson in category "Uncategorized


  1. AvatarBy Justin on

    Roses are red.
    Water is wet.
    Are we ready to discuss spoilers yet?

    1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

      Ha! Hmm. Maybe within reason and labeled as “spoilers” and without giving away the ending? Thoughts?

      1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

        The book has been out over two months now. I’d say it’s long past spoiling time.

      2. AvatarBy Justin on

        Maybe we start small and work our way up.


        Nice to see they’ve dug the Beaufort out of Madagascar… though I’m not sure how they’re going to build one small enough to operate on a carrier.

          1. AvatarBy Justin on

            Right, but I suspect that the Allies want their bombers to land on the deck as well.

          2. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

            A B-25 could land on a carrier, barely. The problem was there was no place to put them except the flight deck & they take up a lot of room. They wouldn’t fit on elevators sized for single engine planes, even if they had folding wings. That leaves the carrier limited to a strike role only, since with the bombers taking up half the flight deck, they can’t cycle fighters or scouts. The Enterprise probably went with the Hornet on the Doolittle raid to protect & scout for her until she got rid of the B-25s.
            The Baalkpan Bay class carriers are 850′ long 7 have a 150′ beam. The Salissa is 1,009′ long by 200′ beam. Their flight decks could handle larger aircraft. The flight decks may need to be reinforced for the extra weight, but the main problem goes back to stowage. Their elevators are almost certainly not big enough to handle a twin engine medium bomber. They’d need to get bigger ones installed & the bombers would have to have folding wings.

          3. AvatarBy Nestor on

            Even if the Alliance built a derivative the exact same size as the original, the Bristol Beaufort’s length and wingspan are only a few inches longer than a TBF Avenger.

            Methinks that If an Avenger could take off and land off USS Ranger, which should be similar in size to a Baalkpan Bay class carrier then a similar size Beaufort derivative should be able to do the same.

          4. AvatarBy Donald j johnson on

            So the need to make seaplane heavy bombers and use the carriers as mobile supply bases

    1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

      Ah! It won’t let me see all of it on my computer! There’s this big black field in the way!

      1. AvatarBy Nestor on

        Then try either of these:
        1- If you’re using IE, for example, then try link in a different browser like Chrome or Firefox.
        2- Click the Download button below picture to download original.

        1. AvatarBy Nestor on

          They’re in close engagement tumbling in free fall from high up so they won’t be able to right themselves unless Chack separates from the dying Grik and spreads his limbs.

    2. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      Very nice! Reminds me of oriental art styles. Large too.

      1. AvatarBy Nestor on

        Thanks! Oriental style, huh? Even though I wasn’t shooting for any particular style, as I was wrapping up it appeared reminiscent to something familiar. You may be right and my subconscious was going for an old Japanese block print style all along. I wonder if it shows up large then could it be that it’s size was too much for Taylor’s laptop to handle? :) I’ll resize it if necessary.

        1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

          I finally saw it. Wow, Nestor, that is very cool. You really got it, emotionally, entirely capturing the “mood” of Chack’s fight at Old Sofesshk. ****Here be Spoilers****

          Not only did it wreck his beloved Krag, it almost wrecked him, leaving him teetering on the edge. And when what happened to Safir . . . happened, your painting has GOT to be the sense of plummeting down in bloody, ragged, vengeance against the world turmoil, locked in Chack’s soul right now.

          1. AvatarBy Nestor on

            Glad you liked it! True, I was so distraught at the hell you dragged poor Chack into in POF it kinda came out in my drawing.

            I have to say I give due credit to my wife for vetting all my work before I post it. She can be quite ruthless but gives out honest and valuable advice. Even though she might pick apart and trash my art I still take in her valuable insight. Even for stuff she doesn’t like much (like this drawing) it always comes out much better than if she had not given me her input.

          2. AvatarBy Justin on

            Eye think the ending must’ve been hard for both of them.

  2. AvatarBy Ken on


    You gotta figure out some way to put the Old battleship Texas in the story and Fight? The old girls a wasting away and needs some life put back into her guts with bilge cats running around there! Let the N.U.S. find her floating in the Gulf of Mexico near Galveston island or something. Those big old main guns and secondaries of hers could come in real handy for Capt. Reddy and company against the league later on.

    1. Taylor AndersonBy Taylor Anderson (Post author) on

      Believe me. Ken, I’d absolutely love to bring her in–but I don’t use any ships with wartime records. At least not while they’re making those records. In any event, I know exactly how you feel. I was down there looking at TEXAS a few weeks ago, as I do at least once a year, and they were pumping so much water out of her that it looked like they’d just towed her into Ulithi with a pair of torpedoes in her side. Granted, it looked to me as if they were sucking most of the water out of her torpedo blisters, but still very alarming. Everyone there was saying they were about to tow her to drydock for repairs–but exactly when still seemed up in the air. Then, of course, there’s the controversy over where she’ll go after the repairs are made. Personally, I don’t care if they tow her up the Mississippi and park her under the St. Louis Arch as long as they fix her first, and do it right. She cannot be spared.

      1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

        Very true a wonderful ship and sad not more of that vintage are still with us. They were such a quantum leap at a time when anything seemed possible.

        Perhaps a compromise would be a ship similar to Texas and her sisters that with a skeleton crew came through and found herself helping the NUS. As I recall as developments happened some projects were scrapped or the ships never saw action for one reason or another due to being not up to the job.

        Not sure if anyone else has heard of this company but Navwar do 1/3000 scale table top wargame ships and aircraft including Wicks class destroyer’s in pairs and I’m thinking of maybe thinking up mini wargame scenario from early in the series of Novels. They even do PBY’s and sailing ships

        1. AvatarBy Alexey Shiro on

          “Perhaps a compromise would be a ship similar to Texas and her sisters that with a skeleton crew came through and found herself helping the NUS. ”

          Er… they have “Savoie”. She is roughly equivalent to “Texas” in size, speed, firepower. Her horizontal protection is lacking quite a bit, true, but her vertical protection is actually very complex. Dealing with such threats as Griks – who did not have proper armor-piercing fuses – “Savoie” large area of relatively thin armor would work better than “Texas” smaller area of thick armor around vitals.

          1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

            I just love those early period ships that’s why I’d have loved to see British or French Crimean Black Ships coming through from another cross over or something as iconic as Texas

          2. AvatarBy Justin on

            Yeah, Savoie’s the closest to a battlewagon the Allies will want or get for a while.

            Somehow though, I don’t think the Grik navy is a problem anymore; the war they’re about to fight would greatly benefit from all-or-nothing armour instead.

          3. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

            Indeed. Savoie even kind of looks like Texas, particularly after her mid-life upgrades. At a distance it would be hard to tell them apart.

          4. AvatarBy Alexey Shiro on

            “Indeed. Savoie even kind of looks like Texas, particularly after her mid-life upgrades. At a distance it would be hard to tell them apart”

            Interesting to note, that both “Bretagne”-class and “New York”-class were the result of similar design process: they were an attempt to put bigger guns without significantly redesigning the hull from a previous class. “Bretagne”-class was up-gunned “Courbet”-class, “New York”-class were the same for “Wyoming”-class. An example of parallel evolution, albeit for different reasons.

          5. AvatarBy Donald j johnson on

            Taylor probably picked up the Savoy because he knew he couldn’t get the Texas so he found a way around his own rules

  3. AvatarBy John Lyle on

    There is one thing g I am wondering about. Grik reproduction. All the grid soldiers appear to be male. Where are all the grid females? I Know they are much larger than the males based on the description of the celestial mother and her sisters. Surely the celestial mother and her sisters don’t lay the eggs for all grik?! Are the females sequestered in breeding colonies? Do the take part in grik society more than the celestial mother does? Since the females are so much larder I would think they would be more effective warriors than the males.
    By the way I am reading Pass of Fire at the moment and I love it!

    1. AvatarBy Justin on

      There’s been brief mentions of other “breeding females” in previous books. Seems like they’re just in the background laying eggs while the males do everything else.

      The real question for me is how they got to that stage. Birds and lizards are (mostly) egalitarian, and the Grik definitely never developed agriculture, so it’s strange that we’ve got this male-oriented caste society here. Even ants have female workers and guards.

      1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

        There’s actually been quite a bit on that over time, but without a dedicated Grik anthropologist (herpetologist? Ornithologists?) and Courtney somewhat distracted of late, I’ve left readers to speculate on the numerous differences between the three distinct Grik-like cultures that are known—not counting the grikbirds end feral Grik-like creatures in the Americas that no one knows much about. Essentially, the Grik, Tagranesi/Sa’araans, and Khonashi. Some might say four and include the Grik-toads, but their “mother” is physiologically much different. There’s been no lengthy comparison in the narrative for a number of reasons, beside word count and repetitive dissertation concerns, but all the info is there to build cultural models. Do y’all want to play with that, or wait until I (Courtney) has time to write a formal dissertation concerning the subject in his book?

  4. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on


    Have finally managed to have gotten unceremoniously posted on Amazon my 4+ star UnScience-Fictional recommendation and review of your ” getting really close”, “just about there” and “not quite yet, almost finished” ready for submission Destroyermen’s Epoch. Your latest continuation and update to this captivating ever-evolving saga “Pass of Fire” is an excellent free-standing worthy example and addition to a Master craftsman and storyteller’s repertoire. Excellence in storytelling here only leads to even Great(er) Expectations for your next installment to overwhelm us and be overcome by. Thus was the probational 4+- Star review and recommendation given.

    The unrecognizable cultural crutch of hindsight
    Constrained within the framework of this ever-evolving zero-sum cultural and technological Blishian reality that this world cannot seem to find the means or the will to finally extricate itself from is in itself quite troubling. Our present predicament is one essentially dominated by abnormally commonplace Impulse decision-making that seemingly operates at the speed of unchecked unreasoned carelessness and reckless unchartered undisciplined emotional thoughtlessness. There is no “Hindsight For Dummies” fallback position to go to for answers that can ever possibly or adequately explain a nation’s unsustainable condition or state of moribund illegitimacy. Corrosive attitudes resulting from decades of neglect and the ill-preparedness of failed status quo social, political and economic institutions is a rigor mortis prescription for cultural self-defeat and self-destruction. Decaying cultural legitimation is a tendency not easily reformulated, reinvented or changed. It’s a questionable legacy corruptly left behind for others to blindly reinforce and follow that’s so passively and disquietly certain.

  5. AvatarBy Jeff on

    Finished Pass of Fire – excellent!. Had to go back and zip through RoB again and typically found that I missed a few details.

    I appreciate some of the references back to earlier books, even small ones.

  6. AvatarBy Doug White on

    Whelp. I just finished the POF and i must say I was pleased with the ending. I REALLY am interested in what Halek will do. Anybody’s guess at this point but Esshk is screwed no matter what.

    Was saddened by several of the demises especially one certain Sergeant at the Pass. But how he went was spectacular….nice job Taylor.

    Speaking of nice jobs I read the shout outs to us unwashed masses here in the discussions and was utterly shocked to read my name! I hardly ever have anything to say and about the only I have ever really contributed was the class of BB Savoie probably was and kept one of the folks abreast of how few ships were left in the mothball fleet up there in Suisun Bay. I think we’re down to about 4 or 5 if anybody cares.

    So thanks Taylor for that and another great read. You ARE the man!

    1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      It’s an amazing feeling to see your name in print, right?

      1. AvatarBy Doug White on

        Yup! I was struck speechless….except for some odd giggling.

  7. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

    Taylor, when you eventually wrap the series up, you ought to put out a low number, signed special edition set. Maybe have it come with a map folio.

      1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

        Actually, you could include large versions of your art in the Map folio also. Maybe add the flags we’ve agreed on here as well.
        The lawyers would probably nix a fanart section, there has been some very nice artwork done by the folks here who could probably be persuaded (with some light arm twisting) to contribute. Alexey’s Kurokawa for one. Nestor goes without saying, since he does professional level work. Someone did a Pin-up of the Queen of B’mbaado. I’d be happy to sign over the usage rights to my Walker & Gray for a nominal fee of $1 each & an acknowledgement.

        1. AvatarBy Nestor on

          Nothing against the term “fan art” in any way, but correct me if I’m wrong: technically speaking, there is no official D-Men artwork outside of what’s published in the books, which is the cover art and Taylor’s own maps and silhouettes. So unless the drawings we make are directly and specifically based on such then it’s not fan art. So following that premise I could say our work is less fan art and more unofficial concept art.

          Could there be gray areas? For example, how about Taylor’s other unpublished drawings posted here and elsewhere? If you base your drawings on those is it still fan art, even though they’re not made available within a trademarked franchise? Am I even making a fair comparison between D-Men and a Marvel franchise like X-Men?

        2. AvatarBy Alexey Shiro on

          ” Alexey’s Kurokawa for one.”

          Thank you)

          1. AvatarBy Doug White on

            That’s a terrific portrait Alexey! I love the old cameo style.

          2. AvatarBy Alexey Shiro on

            Thank you, Doug! Must admit, I made it by using the in-game Fallout 4 character design software & a bit of SketchUp 3D modelling for a ships in battle.

  8. AvatarBy Justin on

    Interesting fun fact:

    Long story short, the Ptolemies tried to settle the culture clash between their Greco-Macedonian culture and the local Egyptian one by appropriating their gods. Part of this was combining gods, such as merging Osiris and Apis into one god and associating him with Hades, Demeter and Dionysus. Ditto Zeus-Ammon.

    How is this relevant to the DD-verse? Well, the Ptolemies made their way to the Republic in South Africa almost at the start, after the Cats and (hypothetical) Phoenicians/Greeks/Egyptians, and long before the Romans.
    There’s a good chance that last year me is dead wrong and the Republic has some incredibly strange theology right now. Now present me is thinking of a lion-headed Minerva, or a holy trinity based around Ra, Osiris and his ghost (he was killed and resurrected)…

  9. AvatarBy Justin on

    The one-month mark has come and gone. Free range for spoilers yet, or do we wait a bit longer?

    1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

      Unfortunately, the Audio doesn’t come out until Aug 13, so we better keep ’em zipped for now.

  10. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

    I felt the 7.1 and 3 other requests during the night class night and I am 250 miles from the epicenteraway

    1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      Glad you’re OK. California is a tad too biblical for my tastes, brush fires, mud slides, earthquakes etc.. Next will probably be plagues of frogs.

        1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

          Oh. Ah… ha. Actually a good one, Matthieu. I do love a pun—far more than most people around me. I achieved a remarkable pun just the other day and my wife just rolled her eyes. I won’t be discouraged!

          1. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

            No frogs just overrun with escargot

          2. AvatarBy matthieu on

            Non believers in the holly pun shall all perish in eternal flames (my wife does the same and my daughter too)

            By the way, I know why Silva had problems with Pam. He was not Reddy for her…. ok, I know where the door it.

            More seriously something that most people don’t know in the USA: the “southern belle”. Here is the pun: if you do not speak English, a French guy will not understand what you say (we always put belle BEFORE what we describe).

            But for a French who speaks English the problem is worse. We will understand bell and not belle. The funny part now: for us a really really stupid, idiot, dumb person is “une cloche” which means litteraly “bell”.

            So when I heard southern belle for the first time (think Gone with the wind), it was for me “the moron from the south”.

            And snails are not that common (let’s say twice a year. It’s too caloric. You always eat them in butter).

          3. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

            Okay, here’s my pun–Matthieu squeezed it out of me. Ahem . . . We had a party here on the 4th of July, and as usual, musketry and cannons were involved. The kids wanted to see a roundshot out of the 6pdr instead of just a blank, so I said “fine, but we have to shoot AT something.”
            The passenger door of my 69 Chevy truck was chosen, it having been replaced during the restoration by another one that wasn’t rusted out around the hinge posts.

            ANYWAY, we carted that old door out there and propped it up, then promptly shot a large hole through the center of it. All enjoyed the ruckus, and most were suitably impressed by the gun’s crew’s marksmanship, but strangely, I suddenly felt myself struck by a melancholy sense of loss. When asked to explain my sadness I said: “Well, I’ve had that old truck since before I could drive, and I guess I’ve gotten passably attached to that old door over the last fifty years.” Then I smiled. “At least I still have the driver’s side door. I was always . . . . closer to that one. :)

            (I know, I hear e-groans now. But it was pretty good at the time).

          4. AvatarBy matthieu on

            Pfffffffffff, I’m double-face palming.

            Men and guns! At least you’re not an U-boat captain. For them a loss is more dangerous :)

          5. AvatarBy donald johnson on

            My wife still has problems with English and just cannot understand puns and she has lived here since Jan 1947. and She was born in Paris France. She being Jewish spent the war hiding in various places throughout France hiding from the Germans. She has many very interesting stories to tell bout her life then. such as the time she and her cousin slept for the night in Notre Dame Cathedral because she was out after curfew. the soldiers opened the door but did not enter because they had orders not to ever go inside any church. Back then the churches were not locked at night.

    1. AvatarBy Steve White on

      Very sad news. A good guy who enjoyed helping others.

    2. AvatarBy David Smith on

      This is sad to hear Taylor. I know he will be missed. Rest in peace kind soul.

    3. AvatarBy Nestor on

      And to think that I would pop my head in after a long while to find out how Charlie and the gang are up to then find this!!! That’s just too sad, I’ll surely miss his boundless enthusiasm. Godspeed Charlie, and may you rest in peace!!

      1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

        Hi Nestor. Good to hear from you. Yeah, losing Charles is rough. I keep expecting him to post “what the hell’s this all about? Computer goes down for a few days and people flip out.” I wish that would happen.

        1. AvatarBy Nestor on

          Yeah, I know what you mean, still waiting for one of his heads-ups about a post on his FB page. Hm, that gave me an idea: how about a commemorative sketch? If you or anyone here has a photo of Charles perhaps I can use it to draw him as a D-Men character.

          1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

            That’s a great idea. Sadly, I don’t have a pic of him.

          2. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

            I’ve got a couple of pictures of him. I can send them to you in a Deviant Art note, post them on the DDmen FB Fan page, or send them to Taylor & he can e-mail them to you, whichever seems best to you guys. Can’t seem to post actual pics here.

          3. AvatarBy Nestor on

            I’ll take you up on the offer! DevianArt works for me, I’ll get a notification. Then there’s the matter of deciding which D-Men character would be appropriate to put his likeness on. Suggestions anyone?

  11. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on

    A Very Pistol Of An Unsolicited Review of Pass of Fire
    An even kindlier gentlier BOOK REVIEW for Matthieu and the Gang
    ELL sir,” said Mr. Dooley, “ I jus’ got hold iv a book, Hinnissy, that suits me up to th’ handle, a gran’ book, th’ grandest iver seen. Ye know I’m not much throubled be lithrachoor, havin’ manny worries iv me own, but I’m not prejudiced again’ books.
    I am not. Whin a rale good book comes along I’m as quick as anny wan to say it isn’t so bad, an’ this here book is fine. I tell ye ’tis fine.” “ What is it ? ” Mr. Hennessy asked languidly.
    “’Tis 4 Th’ Biography iv a Hero be Wan who Knows.’ ’Tis ‘Th’ Darin’ Exploits iv a Brave Man be an Actual Eye Witness.’ ’Tis ‘ Th’ Account iv th’ Desthruction iv Spanish Power in th’ Ant Hills,’ as it fell fr’m th’ lips iv Tiddy Rosenfelt an’ was took down be his own hands.

    Citations from Mr.Dooley’s Philosophy by Finley Peter Dunne
    R.H. Russell Publisher New York, New York pub year 1900

    If you’re one of those single brain celled and dead pseudo intellectuals expecting the usual number of unabashed and flowery persuasive and praiseworthy and reasoned arguments that would eventually lead you to contemplate and actually consider buying a book, reading it and not be intellectually emotionally and culturally affected and drained by Its contents; then the Homerisque saga of one of this era’s more underappreciated and underecognized of master non-nuclear fissionable storytellers Taylor Anderson is just not for you. His latest work, submission and entry into his ongoing Destroyermen saga- Pass of Fire effectively seeks to chronologize, eyewitness and eulogize the life, death, rebirth cycle of evolution-deevolution that comprise the construct of his Destroyermen culture and civilization. His trademark and patented(pending?) taking of unimportant and insignificant events uprooted from our own long forgotten and disjointed past history and memories as Arrrh refocused refashioned and remade as only can be told through the medium of the science fiction genre is breathtaking and all encompassing in its scope and reach, while sametime being salt-water mindboggling entertaining and appealing to every individual who’s ever been endowed and embedded with the normal standardized on-off, right-wrong, honor-dishonor character traits that identifies us all as human beings as well as welcoming individuals and members of the American Navy Clan and Tribe.
    Mr. Anderson’s own telling in intricate detail and horrorific vividness the sapper attack by the Dorrighsti almost exactly mimics an actual event in our own world that had occurred at An Khe, RVN that crystallizes and justifiably symbolizes the colossal Clusterschmuck that epitomizes the unacceptable loss of wasted lives and unfulfilled futures that was, is, and forever will be the Vietnam war.
    So!, For anyone of you unconvinced doubtfull Thomasses having skeptically read this review and do still remain inquisitive by nature and instinctive gamblers at heart and Arrrh in an absolute need of some
    Refreshing non 200 alcholic proof and are still wanting to work and earn your his-her-it own way from rookie to veteran; then be forewarned and advised to properly requisition and equip from the nearest supply depot the following reading materials and training manuals that will greatly aid assist, and guide you on your journey into, and safe passage through the mindfield that is Taylor Anderson’s Destroyermen’s universe, epic and story.

    Recommended Science (&?)Fiction Readings
    The Seventh Carrier Series by Peter Albino
    The Lost Regiment Series by William R. Forstchen
    The Shores of Tripoli by James L. Haley
    The Star Carrier Series by Ian Douglas
    The Foundation Trilogy,
    The I Robot Anthology,
    The Robot Novels Caves of Steel and
    The Naked Sun by Isaac Asimov
    The Star by Arthur C. Clarke
    The Stars Like Dust and Starship Trooper by Robert Heinlein
    Galactic Empires 1-2 by Brian Aldiss
    Cities in Flight by James Blish
    They Shall Have the Stars pp 88-95
    A Life for the Stars pp 189-199,200-209
    Earthman Come Home pp 232-235, 254
    The Berserker Wars by Fred Saberhagen
    The Bolo Series by Keith Laumer
    U-505, Clear the Decks, Now Hear This, Stand BY-Y-Y to Start Engines, Cap’n Fatso,
    Eight Bells and All’s Well and The Brink by Daniel V. Gallery
    The Call of the Sea, The Lost Sea, The Distant Shore and A Sailor’s Life by Jan de Hartog
    Away All Boats by kenneth Dodson
    Song of the Sirens and Fate is the Hunter by Ernest K. Gann

    Non Science Fiction Readings

    Mr Dooley’s Philosophy by Finley Peter Dunne
    (A prime candidate for Erasure and Book Burning by Today’s PC Police)

    Foundations of the Republic by Calvin Coolidge
    Calvin Coolidge on The Founders by David Pietrusza
    Why Coolidge Matters by Charles C. Johnson
    Why England Slept by John F Kennedy
    Leadership Lessons from the Age of Fighting Sail by Chris Brady
    The Language of Liberty by Joseph R. Fornieri
    The Story of American Aviation by Jim Ray
    Naval Shiphandling by CDR R.S. Crenshaw Jr
    Maverick Navy by Alexander W. Moffat
    US Destroyer Operations in World War II by Theodore Roscoe
    US Submarine Operations in World War II by Theodore Roscoe
    The Eagle and the Rising Sun by Alan Schom
    The Schooner by David R. MacGreggor
    The History of American Sailing Ships by Howard I. Chapelle
    The History of the American Sailin Navy by Howard I. Chapelle
    Lincoln’s War by Geoffrey Perret
    Grant, Lee, Lincoln and the Radicals By Grady McWhiney
    Take Command Leadership Lessons from the Civil War by Tom Wheeler
    Leadership and Command in the American Civil War by Steven E. Woodworth
    Lincoln and Leadership by Randall M. Miller
    Mr. Lincoln’s T-Mails by Tom Wheeler
    Lincoln and His Generals by T Harry Williams
    The Campaigns for Vicksburg by Kevin J Dougherty
    Iron Dawn by Richard Snow
    Courage under Fire by Wiley Sword
    The Navy in the Civil War The Atlantic Coast by Daniel Ammen
    The Navy in the Civil War The Blockade and the Cruisers by J.R Soley
    Cigars, Whiskey and Winning Leadership Lessons from General Ulysses S. Grant by Al Kaltman
    Game Theory 101 by William Spaniel

    Supplemental Citations from Mr. Dooley’s Philosophy by Finley Peter Dunne
    R.H. Russell Publisher New York, New York pub year 1900

    War and War Makers
    “ Thrue f’r ye,” said Mr. Dooley,” an’ that’s why I wisht it cud be fixed up so’s th’ men that starts th’
    wars could do th’ fightin’. Th’ throuble is that all th’ prelimin’ries is arranged be matchmakers an’ all they’se left f’r fighters is to do th’ murdherin’ An’ off goes th’ sojers an’ they
    meet a lot iv la-ads that looks like thimsilves an’makes sounds that’s more or less human an’ ates
    out iv plates an’ they swap smokin’ tobacco an’sings songs together an’ th’ next day they’re up
    early jabbing holes in each other with baynits. An’ whin its all over they’se me an’ Chamberlain
    “ I’ll niver go down again to see sojers off to th’ war. But ye’ll see me at th’ depot with a brass band
    whin th’ men that causes wars starts f’r th’ scene iv carnage. Whin Congress goes forth to th’
    sun-kissed an’ rain jooled isles iv th’ Passyfic no more heartier cheer will be beard thin th’ wan or
    two that rises fr’m th’ bosom iv Martin Dooley. Says I, give thim th’ chanst to make histhry an’ lave th’ young men come home an’ make car wheels.

    O most people a savage nation is wan that doesn’t wear oncomf’rtable clothes.
    Manny people’d rather be kilt at Newport thin at Bunker Hill.
    If ye live enough befure thirty ye won’t care to.
    All men are br-rave in comp’ny an’ cow’rds alone, but some shows it clearer thin others.
    I’d like to tell me frind Tiddy that they’se a strenuse life an’ a sthrenuseless life.
    I’d like to’ve been ar-round in th’ times th’ historical novelists writes about—but I wudden’t like
    to be in th’ life insurance business.
    f ye live enough befure thirty ye won’t care to live at all afther fifty.

    Th’ nearest anny man comes to a con-ciption iv his own death is lyin’ back in a comfortable coffin
    with his ears cocked f’r th’ flatthrin’ remarks iv th’mourners.
    A fanatic is a man that does what he thinks th’ Lord wud do if He knew th’ facts iv th’ case.

    Th’ modhren idee iv governmint is ‘ Snub th’people, buy th’ people, jaw th’ people.’
    A vote 01 th’ tallysheet is worth two in the box.
    I care not who makes th’ laws iv a nation if I can get out an injunction.

    An autocrat’s a ruler that does what th’ people wants an’ takes th’ blame f’r it.
    A constitootional ixicutive, Hinnissy, is a ruler that does as he dam pleases an’ blames th’ people.
    Thrust ivrybody—but cut th’ ca-ards.
    If ye dhrink befure siven ye’ll cry befure iliven.
    A man that’d expict to thrain lobsters to fly in a year is called a loonytic; but a man that thinks
    men can be tur-rned into angels be an diction is called a rayformer an’ remains at large.
    Th’ throuble with most iv us, Hinnissy, is we swallow pollytical idees befure they’re ripe an’ they
    don’t agree with us.
    If men cud on’y enjye th’ wealth an’ position th’newspapers give thim whin they’re undher arrest!
    Don’t anny but prominent clubman iver elope or embezzle?
    Di-plomacy is a continyual game iv duck on th’ rock—with France th’ duck.
    Whin we think we’re makin’ a gr-reat hit with th’ wurruld we don’t know what our own wives
    Thinks iv us.
    If ye dhrink befure siven ye’ll cry befure iliven.

    Note on Recommendations:
    Only a generalized precurs(error) and a quick jump start refresher course of study
    has been provided here.
    Taylor Andersom’s Destroyermen Illiad and Odyssey numbers 1-14? Now Awaits U if U Dare!

  12. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

    I was deep into POF & was wondering why my page wouldn’t turn. I was tapping furiously on the right side of the page… until it vaguely dawned on me, I was reading an actual book & not my Kindle. Been calling myself a moron ever since.

    1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

      You obviously don’t have children in school where a ‘book’ is an increasingly uncommon thing. I showed one of mine an illustration of the ruins of Babylon and they wondered why we couldn’t zoom in or swipe to change the page!
      Welcome to the modern world were thinking is second rate to tech. Sorry pet rant. I was told ‘we don’t use book for research as all children need to do it online on approved sites’. I was not impressed, had to be dragged out of the PTA meeting before I told them a few facts. Wife not happy as she likes these idiots.

      Anyhow as always Taylor has done it again great read and already looking forward to the next

  13. AvatarBy Generalstarwars333 on

    Dunno if anyone is interested, but the academic bowl team my JROTC unit has won the USMC championship yesterday. I’m the second from the left for J.R.Tucker, from the camera’s point of view.

        1. AvatarBy Generalstarwars on

          Thanks guys. We didn’t win the big inter-service competition–I don’t think the Marine Corps ever has–but considering it was our team’s first year of existence, and we just rolled up without studying for it or anything and aggressively winged it, we did pretty good.

          1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

            No amount of preparation completely prepares for the real thing, but then, the USMC never backs down from a challenge. Just like the Cats, you’re always outnumbered but never outfought. Great work!

    1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

      A weekly experience. It’s only blood. A few scratches in driving a little closer a little closer means less walking around with the weed whacker. And no leaning out to the side, since then the holly leaves drop onto the seat awaiting the re-placement of your shorts-clad posterior. A wipedown with hydrogen peroxide and good to go.

      Now, driving over the hornet’s nest was another thing. Immediate retreat to the porch, and the bottle of ammonia water for insect stings, warranted.

  14. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on

    Taylor–Guys and Gals

    Am now in process of slow reading Mr. Anderson’s “Pass of Fire”
    Here’s A Highly Recommended Audio Playlist that further aids in the reading of Taylor’s The Pass of Fire
    The Albums
    BBC -The War Years 1-2-3
    Big Bands 1 to 10
    Big Band Hits of Glen Miller
    Body and Soul- Benny Goodman
    Homecoming 1945 1-2
    A Celebration of Chicago Blues Harp
    Chicago Blues Harmonica Project
    Blues is the Color- Meyer Rossabi
    Essential Blues Piano 1-2

    As Expected: So Far- So Good
    Exceeds Expectations!!!

  15. AvatarBy Sam Rice on

    I really appreciate the growing complexity that Mr. Anderson is showing within the Grik and the Dominion and hinting at within the LoT. It lends a certain amount of credulity to the world the stories build to see that the enemy isn’t a monumental block of evil, but rather a product of twisted politics and culture. Of course this could be me simply showing my bias as a political science major, but as the war draws to an… evolution in the West, if not exactly an end, I see a lot of potential for the postwar Grand Alliance to have interesting internal development and conflict. We got a hint in Pass of Fire that perhaps the Republic’s Senate may be starting to balk at “excessive” war expenditures, the political reorganization is still underway in New Britain, and the United Homes of course remains a very new union. Then you’ve also got the Celestial Mother and her New Grik, as well as the liberated Doms. Based on the descriptions of the Grik and Doms, I honestly would expect their empires to break up into much smaller nations.

    The Grik Regencies already appear to act largely in this way, with the Celestial Mother acting more like the Pope did in Medieval Europe, holding the squabbling tribes of Christendom together in a loose alliance. That system seems unlikely to change, at least without significant resistance from the Regents. The Grik really don’t have the infrastructure to maintain a centralized empire as large as their rump regencies, and even if the Allies helped the Celestial Mother develop it the Grik would probably still need a large degree of decentralization. I’d expect the regencies which don’t comply with the Celestial Mother’s reforms to quickly acquire new Regents with the aid of her generals and the Allies, but that might well be the extent of it, especially with the Hij in the old city, and therefore the Empire’s intellectual capital, being so mightily reduced. Maybe they’ll develop into something like the European Union or even a tighter Confederation over time. Whatever happens, it will prove very interesting, and probably leave plenty of vulnerabilities for the League to exploit in the short term. I’m honestly kind of hoping that Halik, at the least, sets up a de facto independent state in Persia. He deserves it, and the Allies might support it as a mildly trustworthy buffer between India/the Czechs and the Grik.

    As for the Doms, we’ve consistently heard about local cultures who saw Allied troops as liberators. That implies something similar to revolutionary Latin America in our own world. You might see an attempt at a unified post-Dom state like Gran Colombia from our own history, but it would probably fall apart equally as quickly. The people oppressed by the Doms have been restricted from moving freely for so long, both by Dom oppression and limited technology, that you’ve probably got very distinct local cultures that just wouldn’t mesh well in a national government, especially as they try to assert themselves following such prolonged oppression. I doubt you’d see significant animosity with any break ups, though. The Grand Alliance wouldn’t want it’s bases threatened and the liberated Doms, with the exception of those in the former Dom heartland who seem more fanatically devoted to the cause, would all probably be too devoted to and dependent on the Alliance to risk breaking away from it. The most interesting thing, for me, is what type of government we’ll see the post-Dom states adopt. With the example of the UH, NUS, and New Britain with Rebecca’s reforms they might go for your standard New World democracy model, especially if any Destroyermen tell them about the Latin American republics of their original world, but it seems like the Doms only allowed for limited self-governance at the municipal level. They’ll have to build province and national level administrations from scratch, which is a task almost no revolutionary democratic government has done. With the help of the Alliance they’re probably up to the task, but I wonder if we might see any go for more traditional government forms, with powerful monarchs. After all, the Impies and even some UH states retain that form of government. Honestly, maybe that would cause the breaks between some local cultures, with some favoring monarchies and others democracies. Here’s to hoping the NUS, Impies, and Homes are willing to import lots of printing presses and Spanish translations of the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence! Get the idea of universal, unalienable rights across early and often!

    I’ve also had this recurring image of a Grand Alliance HQ building in Baalkpan, reminiscent of the UN building in New York, with all the member nation flags flying out front. Everything from the New Grik to the NUS. I blame that stirring description of the banners Captain Reddy gave towards the end of Pass of Fire.

    Something else to consider – this book touched quite a lot on the Vanished Gods and their remaining works, from the locks on the rivers to Old Soffeshk’s architecture. One line especially got to me, about the Vanished Gods entering the air and other worlds. We’d need to see more, of course, but I’d guess that the Vanished Gods aren’t myth, and might have something to do with why this version of Earth seems to receive so many transplants. Either that or they went space exploring! Either way I’m sure Mr. Bradford will gladly tell us more as he explores.

    All in all, a great read! Thank you! Reviews and ratings will be posted soon.

  16. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

    Sheesh. The whiners always jump in, and can’t wait to get their gripes on record! Y’all know I always appreciate and encourage positive reviews in the various appropriate places, (if convenient), like Amazon, B&N, Goodreads, etc., because they really do help. And unlike some authors, I never run around begging for them, or generate them myself. On the other hand, negative reviews really do hurt, and in certain venues, are apparently even “counted” for more in their overall rating algorithms. I wonder if that’s selective? Anyway, when they’re sincere and reflect the opinion of the reader toward the story itself, I still just shrug. That’s fine, to each their own. But when they’re written in protest to the price of the book, or more specifically the Kindle, over which I have absolutely no control, (all major new release Kindle prices are too high, in my opinion), and poor reviews accuses ME of greed, for charging so much, I can’t help but take it a tad personally. So while absolutely not asking anyone to respond to such reviews–what’s the point?–I’d certainly encourage you to counter them with positive reviews if you meant to post them anyway. The early days of any release are always the most crucial from a quality perception standpoint, and those early bad reviews will haunt a book forever–just as early positive reviews tend to linger at the top of the heap.
    Thanks all, and sorry if I even seem to be pressing anyone to come to my “defense.” I’m not. But–if you like it–I’d appreciate it if you defend the yarn. Word of mouth has always been the best “publicity” for the D-Men series, and reviews are where it starts. Thanks, and sorry to even bring this up.

    1. AvatarBy Charles Simpson on

      This was the only complaint I’ve seen on the Assn page on Facebook
      “Cliff West
      13 hrs
      the one thing i do not like about this book…its the small maps.”

      Well that’s the publisher that lays out the maps and sizes then not Taylor, he has however sent large scale maps that are on the Destroyermen Wiki you can download or copy paste a file and print as big as you want for your personal use. They are located here:

    2. AvatarBy BigPony on

      The only thing I have to whine about is the wait for the next book as I read this one in 2 days, but I get what you are saying and will leave a review explaining your point on Amazon.

      Thanks and keep up the good work. We cannot wait for the next book about the “kitty people” which is what my boy calls the books when we listen on audio together (after I read them of course)


        1. AvatarBy BigPony on

          I have to work, sleep and deal with the family though. That was about all the free time I had those 2 days I spent reading it 😀

          1. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

            My wife complained about my missing 7 hours

        2. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

          Waiting to get my copy back from the last Lending Library member for the second reading. Working on my post-spoiler review, already put one in Amazoom.

    3. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      Despair not Taylor, POF is listed as a Best Seller on Amazon. That’s endorsement by purchase voting right there. I threw my two cents worth in also, but it takes time for them to verify & put it up. Everyone else needs to get off their… OK stay on your butt & type a review when you’re done reading. Peace out.

      1. AvatarBy BigPony on

        Just that one guy who continues to think the pricing was set by Taylor Anderson, and despite several people (myself included) telling him that was not the case, he just will not believe it and is the lone 1 vote on Amazon.

        I reported his post as he called Mr. Anderson greedy.

        1. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

          some people are just CHEEP. I wish that I didn’t have to wait for the paperback. but i pay so i don’t have to wait and i won’t say that for many others. Went in and found another just released by another favorite and got it as well. Ended having to buy two for the price of one :-) 20% off on book + 20% off on a flyer + 10% b&n membership

    4. AvatarBy Allan Cameron on

      Put my review up, but it is probably on Amazon. rather than the American site.

    5. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

      Damn. Bad word, bad word, bad word. Mail did not get picked up Wednesday by designated household member, and I headed north to the mountains at 3am the next morning to inaugurate another season of mowing the fields. So I’m hoping that ROB has not already passed into the hands of the Lending Library. Thought I’d distracted him with a few Jack Reacher paperbacks, while another member has spirited away ROB, preventing my planned-for review so that I could search for detail in POF. Damn, damn, DAMN.

      However, Taylor, your books only continue to get better. ROB was the best one to date. All we can ask is that you don’t franchise it off to a ghost writer, even if it were to result in a New Year’s book to balance the summer solstice chapter. I’m happy, even if it was the Griks that got the bombardment rockets. I’m not going to read any further, here or on Facebook. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised. It’ll be a change from Space Marines and horny Amazons.

      1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

        PS. Household has confirmed. Brother-in-law down to last 20 pages, has not put down even to consume homemade blueberry pie.

    6. AvatarBy matthieu on

      got the book today so now i can comment! You’re right the guy is an asshole

      1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

        more due to politics than nationality or species. If you’re going to have villains, make them detestable as well as complex.

    7. AvatarBy Steve White on

      Wrote a review for Pass of Fire tonight. Five stars only because I couldn’t do six. Very happy with this one, Taylor. I like the thoughtful pacing; you don’t rush things.

    8. AvatarBy Matt on

      You just reminded me to post my review. Currently its sitting at 4/5 on Google books. Most are in the 4.5/5 range so I think the score will go up over time as the griping comments are drowned out by positive reviews. I did see some complaining about price and then one about the length of the series….I guess society is grooming people for shorter and shorter attention spans every day. If the story is still moving who cares how many entries there are? Its only a bad thing when the writer(s) clearly run out of ideas.

      I also saw your shoutout to us humble discussion board members in the acknowledgments. It’s nice to know that our nerdy discussions are worthwhile and help. Most writers aren’t as accessible to their fans.

      1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

        Thanks Matt. Yeah, the complainers always jump in as fast as they can, and those reviews can dog a book forever. Even so, I never get my nose out of joint about honest criticism. Some folks like the series, some folks don’t. I don’t like English peas (unless they’re still fresh and crunchy). The canned ones . . . ook. My sense of honor can get a bit touchy though, kind of like Matt Reddy, I guess, (blame it on my numerous “fight even when we know we’re going to lose” ancestors). I do take it a little personal when the criticism is personal, like accusing me of being greedy for the price of a Kindle download??? Sheesh! I don’t have anything to do with that! On the other hand, when an author I like drops a new book, I pay extra for a hardcover or on my Kindle to read it now as well, instead of waiting for the paperback, or the Kindle price to go down.
        As for the “length of series” complaints, yeah, you can’t please everyone and I’ve seen those ever since the 4th book came out. But there are still far more people who want it to go on forever than want it to end. Sadly for them (and me), it WILL end fairly soon. I’m not ready to announce when yet, but I always said I’d end the series when the story was done, and it’s coming to a head.
        As I always planned.
        I love writing the yarn, and I think you can tell it never gets old for me and I never “mail it in,” but I also swore I’d never croak, or veer off into something else, and leave people hanging. Fans of the series who’ve followed it this far DESERVE an ending, and it’s laid out well enough now that it’ll happen without “help” from another author even if I fall off the twig tomorrow. On that you can all rest assured.
        As for the “shoutout,” shoot, it’s the least I can do. How long have some of you been on this forum? I can’t remember when I started it, but some of you have been here ever since! I’ve appreciated the support, historical discussions, technical advice–too many things to mention–and yes, the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism I get here from time to time. Where else am I going to get it? As I think I mentioned, I don’t have a swarm of Alpha-Zulu readers, and usually yours is the first real “fan” feedback I ever get on a book. So yeah, dammitt, I appreciate you all.

        1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

          Just finished POF. Taylor, my friend, you turned the series up to 11 with this one. And got the cover artist to fix the flag at last.

        2. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

          Taylor: One thing I’ve noticed about the description of the NUS, is that there seems to be no mention of the Mississippi River. From my calculations, it would appear to be the central geographic feature of the NUS, but not much if any mention of it. Mobile Bay got more of a mention. Anything to it? I realize it’s not a strategic necessity at the moment, but following the the theory that the Squall follows metal, there might be a treasure lode sitting in Wisconsin…

        3. AvatarBy Ron Brown on

          I have found your series refreshing. I hated books growing up and not till a thirty day work up at sea aboard the U.S.S. Kittyhawk did I find reading a place to go and experience. I found Clive Cussler and his Dirk Pitt series awesome for the distinction of adding world places I was traveling to in the Navy to historical events I loved to read about as well. WWII battles, ships, aircraft are always interesting to me. Now I love to read history in most areas favorite being wars. But how this effects your series and what I enjoy is the same mix of history with ships of yesteryear and knowing a lot of what you write about. Your series I enjoy now because of the sci-fi thrown in characters no one could have expected yet very entertaining. I have found only one problem really with your series and that being the same with Clive Cusslers and other Authors I read. I CAN ONLY STRETCH A BOOK SO FAR! 😁 I stretched POF for six weeks and now who knows when I can expect the next one. That 30 day sea period I found cussler books in the desk with a pile of others 6 to be exact. Read them all in 30 days. When I flew to Michigan to see a woman I made a special trip to find more books and bout I believe 5 more of his. Then I was stuck waiting every 2 years for a new book to his series and what he would discover and collect in that hangar at Reagan intl. airport. Yep I have to find another author yet again to feed my hunger and I am very picky and you can only read so much history at a time. Thanks Taylor i’ll Be waiting yet again. Take care fair seas and following winds to ya!

  17. AvatarBy Allan Cameron on

    Finished Pass of Fire last night after an all day sitting. Great as always Taylor, thanks for the work you put into it. Noe we just have to wait another year to see what happens next.

      1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

        Damn. Was hoping that ‘is’ would be replaced with ‘was’. Ciano seems to have a head on his shoulders.

    1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

      Thanks Alan! Glad you liked it. Please post a review on Amazon, etc., if convenient. Since most of my “publicity “ has always been word of mouth, positive reviews are always helpful and appreciated.

  18. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on

    How coincidentally reminiscent and considerate it is having Taylor’s “Pass of Fire” delivered
    In the same week that the Annual Chicago Blues Festival is being celebrated.
    In fact, I can think of no better place or venue to be listening to a real authentic Chicago Blues
    Jam session than those that used to be conducted on the fly by the local street characters who regularly used to congregate around and frequent the Maxwell Street Deli’s near Chicago’s Union Station. Pure Heaven was and will always be sitting on a Ford Ranger Tailgate along with one’s fellow coworkers and friends feasting on a menu of Chicago Blues and Smoked Polish or a Pork Chop sandwich. Its the only true antibiotic and curative that there is for revitalizing an ailing body, mind, and soul.

    TSk! Tsk! Tsk!
    Matthieu. Mattchew. Mattwho. MattWhew!
    Am so terribly sorry about the late response to your last posting, but family issues have suddenly come into play and will be demanding a lot of my spare time and attention at least until after July 11.

    He, He. He!
    If I’m not breaking the rules of the Embargo, I would like to leave you with some tantalizing
    Hints that you may wish to follow up on and investigate once the business of having
    Everyone having freely downloaded and have acquired pdf access to the book:
    How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by Orson Scott Card
    Writer’s Digest Books-F&W Publications Inc, 1990

    You yourself must come to recognize that It just won’t do at all for everyone to be fostering a thoughtless impulse decision-making environment based entirely on faulty imprecise and garbled communications. Whether I’m arguing Friedman and you’re arguing Keynesian when the data strongly suggests Barter economics. Fostering conditions leading to employing best practices should remain the ultimate mission objective.

    For Future Examination and Consideration:
    “The Universe of the Cities is full of these Ghosts.”
    “Remember Thor V”
    “IMT made the SKY FALL!”

    And so it came to be
    That the children of Albion lay
    Burnt to a cinder in the shade
    Hiding now from the sun
    That only yesterday they so much adored
    And absorbed.
    Peeling skins and aging grins.
    “Mad Dogs” and Englishmen.
    – David Lacey


  19. AvatarBy Adrian Sanada on

    I’ve finally gotten my hands on a copy of book 14! I’ve been looking forward to this book all throughout my spring semester of college. Now it’s time to become a recluse for a few days. Thanks for the read, Mr.Anderson!

    1. AvatarBy Taylor Anderson on

      Great! I hope you like it. If so, please post a review on Amazon, B&N, Goodreads, etc. They really do help!

  20. AvatarBy Justin on

    Is the Spanish DD “Antunez” or “Atunez?” Found her spelt both ways in Pass.

  21. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on


    Mr. Anderson has always demonstrated a tendency to be very unconventional
    in his writings. Knowing of this, how many Traditional Sci-Fi Fantasy conventions
    were not observed or strictly followed according to the tome
    How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by Orson Scott Card
    Writer’s Digest Books-F&W Publications Inc, 1990
    How many can you identify ordiscover?

    1. AvatarBy matthieu on

      It’s MatthieU. Matthiew is just a mispronunciation from those redneck Saxons that we invaded in 1066. :)

      Well about the book, it’s not really a good one and Card is not my favorite author (and his Mormon tendencies are laughable. He can believe in what he wants but bullshitting us with that in books… come on!).

      So is there anything unique in the DM? Not really. The mix IS but each element existed.

        1. AvatarBy matthieu on

          Indeed old chap, as “ressembler” is a french verb (you lost a S somewhere). :)

          1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

            At least there’s not a u in it for us colonials to exclude..

          2. AvatarBy Matt White on

            You would hate the way we kentuckians pronounce Versailles and Lafayette. We do hold the latter in the highest regard though.

          3. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

            Can’t be as bad as the way we butcher names here in Maine; VI-enna, MAD-rid, just to name a few. After our emancipation from the People’s Republic of Massachusetts in 1820, they went on a tear naming towns for cities or countries around the world, ancient and modern. We have Paris, Moscow, Stockholm, Peru, Norway, Sweden, Poland, China; the list just goes on and on.

          4. AvatarBy Matt White on

            We have a similar number of towns that take their name from international cities. Aye-thins is how we pronounce Athens. We also have a town named Egypt but you say Egg-Wiped. As for Versailles, we pronounce the whole word. That gives you 60% more word per word. None of this Versai business.

    1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      Depends. We go through this every year. Some call for a month, some for two months or more etc..

  22. AvatarBy Generalstarwars on

    So here’s a question about the home front. What kind of radio usage is there? We know the union has plenty of radios for military usage, so I’m assuming there must be some filtering back to the home front by now. Would there be any going to civilians? Enough to make radio shows possible? Or are they all going right into the meat grinder?

    1. AvatarBy Justin on

      I’m guessing “meat grinder.” The war’s consuming practically every resource, and even then some readers aren’t convinced that the Allies could actually field everything they have right now.

      After the war though, I’d expect a whole lot of SCRs suddenly flooding the markets.

  23. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on

    Matthieu, Charles Michael:

    I would direct your attention to various passages from the book
    War Slang -America’s Fighting Words and Phrases Since the Civil War
    Second Edition by Paul Dickson
    Published by Brassey’s Incorporated 1994, 2004

    “Giving Bad Food a Good Name
    Revolutionary War An Introduction of Fire Cakes and Water
    Better as cannon fodder and substitute cannister than as an edible ration”

    Another recommended read that may be both instrumental and helpful
    in cramming for Taylor’s Pass Of Fire Release and as a primer for
    any contest story submission for the Destroyerme Wiki.
    How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by Orson Scott Card
    Writer’s Digest Books-F&W Publications Inc, 1990

    Can tamper a writer’s Artistic License in a tasteful thoughtful non intrusive manner.

  24. AvatarBy matthieu on

    Today I was looking for some details about the crew of some destroyers and other ships.

    Interestingly I learnt a new meaning for an English word when I misspelled “crew” in a search about “navy crew men”. I discovered some highly creative activities when I wrote “screw” instead.

    1. AvatarBy Generalstarwars on

      What was it Churchill said about the three traditions of the navy? Rum, sodomy, and the lash? I think you may have just discovered the 2nd tradition.

  25. AvatarBy Charles Simpson on

    Taylor wrote the following yesterday “… Only 11 days remain until the hardcover and Kindle editions of PASS OF FIRE are released! I can’t wait for you to read it since it is, hands down, the most epic and decisive chapter in the series.
    The disappointing news is that I’ve confirmed what some of you have grown concerned about: The Audio version will be delayed until August 12. The explanation is, through no fault of his own, the amazing Bill Dufris was unable to begin his performance on time. Faced with the choice of replacing Bill or waiting for him, the producers chose the latter–a decision I, and I’m sure all of you must heartily agree with. I’m very sorry for the inconvenience and added wait this will inflict on some of you but it really wasn’t anybody’s fault.”

    No change in book and E-Book release on 6-11-19, however the Audiobook is delayed until 8-12-19. I will post the maps and Identification charts from the book on the Destroyermen Wiki [Link to the image page of the Destroyermen Wiki: ] Thus you can down load and print larger copies to have to hand while you read or later listen to the book. Taylor also included the latest PB-1F version of the Nancy that appears in the story that will also be posted.

  26. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

    Just curious. I know Amazoom uses an algorithm on making recommendations, but some of their ‘suggestions’ get awful screwy. Latest ‘Freequently purchased together’ combines ROB, a spaceship saga with Marines and a chick sci-fi novel. Maybe the heroine’s a Marine too (pretty common in sci-fi now) but didn’t want to check to even suggest to Amazoom that I was interested in Hi-tech Harlequin romance. Have reread the series again waiting for POF. BTW, found Doc Stevens was a ‘lowly warrant’, in his words. Lost track of the Warrant Officer thread.

    Nice combination on the Walker/Gray DD, Justin. Centerline main battery the only way to go.

    1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

      That’s true I forgot that thread and that surgeons on destroyers would often be warrant officers rather than commissioned officers as on larger ships. Must admit can’t wait for the new book and am just about half way through my own re-read. My plan slowed down on re-reading as I’m also trying to catch up elsewhere with other books that are backlogged at the moment

      1. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

        Well, I have a ‘lending library’ of three patrons now, so it’s tough to assemble them all at once. Especially when there’s another book due and they’re asking every three days ‘has it arrived yet?’.

        Started hitting the library a few years ago just to reduce shelf space prior to retirement in a few years and found that you can get pretty near everything through the inter-library systems. It’s nice to have them on e-readers, but I’m old fashioned and don’t like to have my face stuck in the Kindle too much. And keeps the mix varied. Although as I mentioned before, the Marines seem to have taken over sci-fi. A notable exception is Craig Alanson’s Renegade series, which has an Army/National Guard grunt as the protagonist.

        1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

          I find it very hard to downsize my library, thirty years of collecting and reading from classic, through military history to Sci-Fi alternate history plus as a research tool for my own hobby writing just would not know how to par things down. And thanks to situation in the UK our library’s are closing at one heck of a rate so I’d no chance.

          I think marines are seen as the general workhorse warriors in sci-fi ever since ‘Aliens’ I think if my memory is right.

          1. AvatarBy Justin on

            Goes hand in hand with “ships” and “fleets.” If you’ve got a navy, you need marines, right?

            Thanks, Steve.

          2. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

            Navies need cooks, too, but not like Lanier…

          3. AvatarBy Steve Moore on

            Well, library’s got to fit in the RV, so I guess I’ll have to reconsider Kindle. Plus makes it easier to visit Europe.

  27. AvatarBy Big Pony on

    I wonder if it has been considered to approach A Company for the possibility of having this series brought to the screen? Like Netflix, HBO etc?

    Would love to see Destroyermen done in that fashion.

    1. AvatarBy Lou Schirmer on

      It’s been bandied about on occasion & folks even named who they wanted to play the various parts. It’d be expensive as hell though & CGI would probably play a heavy part to keep costs down. The problem there is CGI can add to the story or totally destroy the show if done badly. Once it’s out of the author’s hands, the studio can really wreak havoc on the story too.

      1. AvatarBy Michael Clitheroe on

        That was raised when I suggested the same thing. It could be a great idea if handled properly. We start with a normal WWII drama with Walker etc fighting a desperate last stand before entering the squall. Then as the new world develops we begin to meet the new allies and enemies. Before we even meet a Cat we’d have gone through three episodes with the first few dinosaurs etc. once there things will get more complex and CGI plays a major part as with Terranova which went down the pan because of the CGI cost with so many questions unanswered. Still if done properly it would be great with the right cast of course

        1. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

          A bunch of the fans could get together and do some. Taylor can do Silva

  28. AvatarBy Joseph R. Thorsky on

    It’s funny how one can suddenly find oneself brooding over and contemplating about some previously unaddressed unanswered and still festering Enigmas, dangling plot twists and midcourse storyline corrections in the Destroyermen saga that have subsequently and inadvertently gotten me confounded perplexed and stumped when it’s this close to Taylor’s Pass of Fire’s publication.
    1 Did the LOT discover the presence or existence of the Pyramids in Egypt?
    2 Were the Lemurians the primary source and role model for their eventual construction?
    3 Was Tabby the role model for the Sphinx?
    4 Did the Rosetta Stone translations exist prior to, or did they come into existence as a direct result from a Destroyermen insertion?
    5 Safely assuming the existence and a faithful rendition of the Rosetta Stone’s translation from Ancient Greek to Egyptian hieroglyphics and, demotic characters can it also be said that there was a substantial Greek and Roman influence and presence that predates the LOT’s Insertion.
    Coincidently with this year’s Decoration Day-Memorial Day observances there also occurred on this same historically eventful day The Sinking of the German Pocket Battleship Bismarck in World War II and with The Japanese Naval Victory in The Battle of Tsushima Strait in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05.
    Both very significant World historical events.
    A Personal note here:
    There aren’t enough poppy flowers in this world of our own making that can ever match the incalculable human costs that had to be paid for just to keep our humanity from descending back into depths of barbarism and barbarity.
    Remember and honor all the Sacrifices Given.

  29. AvatarBy matthieu on

    Trivia time n°2: the oldest songs.

    Why: we can assume that some old songs remained more or less unchanged in the destroyer world. For example some sailor songs might have remained more or less the same (thanks to Indianmen).

    So the topic of the trivial is: what are the oldest songs in the world

    1) What is the oldest hymn? Hint: more than old

    2) What is the oldest known piece of music with lyrics ?(honestly I didn’t know)

    3) The really complicated one: find the oldest military song (meaning used by any army in the world, excluding national anthems) still used by a current army. I’m wondering if you’ll be able to find something even older than me.

    You can also try per country: in the USA what is the oldest one?

    1. AvatarBy Justin on

      Somebody doesn’t play enough Civ6, it seems!

      1) Hurrian Hymn No.6, a cult song for the god Nikkal from 1400-1200 BC.

      2) The Epitaph of Seikilos, a eulogy from 100-200 AD. Seikilos’ wife Euturpe died early, which inspired him to write a song about living your years to the fullest and without regret… and so he inadvertently granted the both of them immortality in our collective memory.

      1. AvatarBy donald j johnson on

        They have found some very old songs in the sands of egypt, 3000 bce or thereabouts


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