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Posted March 17, 2016 by Taylor Anderson in category "Uncategorized

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  1. By Lou Schirmer on

    Time to remember the Greatest Generation, those who served & those who fell when the USA was attacked at Pearl Harbor. My dad was at sea on the USS Benham (DD-397), escorting the USS Enterprise that day. He said they all knew it was coming, when was the question. Which was answered, 7 Dec 1941.

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        Cashed in his chips in 1989, but thanks on his & his brother’s behalf. His brother was Army, but we forgave him. :)

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  2. By Karl Fritzinger on

    I have enjoyed reading the Destroyermen series and was wondering when the next issue (14) will be out?

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  3. By John Lyle on

    I have a slight problem. I am about to start river of bones but I can’t remember if I read Devils Due. In Devils Due is that where the allies attacked the Grik Capital with bombers and Kurokawa get a League battleship?

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    1. By Lou Schirmer on

      Hi John, I believe that was in Blood In The Water. In Devil’s Due, they deal with Kurokawa, his new battleship & the hostage situation.

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  4. By Mary Williams on

    Thank you Mr Anderson. Just finished reading your fifth book after noticing a super review of the series in the. Spectator magazine here in East Sussex England. I was born in 1940 so am fairly aware of WW2 but more of Vietnam war. Thanks again – do you know of a database of the lead characters?

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    1. By Charles Simpson on

      As we can only post one link per post I should point out the Special Categories list that will be an index to help your search on the WIKI:

      https://destroyermen.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Categories

      A fast way to go to the index is put curser on COMMUNITY go down and click on Special: Categories. You will see that there is a broad Characters list (About 335 named characters in the books to date) and divisions in Male and Species. Say you wanted to know the percentage of Female Lemurian Characters (28) 28/335 x 100 = 8.35% 😉

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    2. By Steve Moore on

      That’s how it starts.. you read one, then have to read the rest, then you loan them out to trusted friends. Before you know it your bookshelf is bare…

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  5. By donald j johnson on

    Saw that taylor is rezding one of my other favorate authors. Genesis fleet VANGUARD. By Jack Campbell

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    1. By Taylor Anderson on

      Yeah, Jack Campbell is a friend, and they sent me Vanguard to blurb. Really liked it, and look forward to the next. As a friend, I’m ashamed that I’ve never had a chance to read the rest of his stuff–I don’t get time to read much fiction at all, it seems–but I loaded his “Lost Fleet” series on my Kindle some time ago. I plan to read it, (and catch up on a LOT of things I’ve missed) this coming summer.

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      1. By Matt White on

        I’ve read the lost fleet. Actually got into it around the same time I got into your series and went back and forth while waiting on releases. Cool to know you two are friends. Do you also know Harry Turtledove personally?

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        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          We have the same agent and I met him a couple of times at conventions, but I doubt he remembers me. Seemed like a very nice guy.

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          1. By Matt White on

            I think he may have the same issue with book covers. In the colonization series the covers depict events that never happen in the books.

      2. By matthieu on

        I read the whole thing. The first books are really interesting and fresh. Suddenly is becomes less interesting as the content is just the same. When he introduced the new aliens he almost jumped the shark. At the same time the new series (shattered stars IIRW) is interesting all characters are grey.
        I don’t read prequels as I don’t like the idea.

        His books are a little bit too US centered. I mean that the author uses far too much the current US morality and way of life to explain the way his Sci-Fi characters act.
        Ex: a major plot is “the love between the admiral and the ship captain, something obviously forbidden as they belong to the same command line”… Something which is forbidden only in the US (most other countries don’t care or expect people to behave like adults). It’s something that Destroyermen have been able to avoid as each group has its own morality.
        Ex2: politics are always corrupt and useless while admirals are perfect…

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        1. By Justin on

          I dunno about #2 – Hemry/Campbell’s written plenty of horrible, power-hungry officers throughout the first six alone. Unlike, let’s say, Ian Douglas, it seems pretty clear that the grievances are with bad leaders in general.

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        2. By Lou Schirmer on

          Campbell shows what might happen in the military & civilian halls of power after a century of fruitless slaughter. There are some good politicians & some bad ones with many making bad decisions for the best of reasons & vice versa. As there are now. The same goes for the military forces, with a bitter twist. I don’t want to ruin it for Taylor with specifics though. I, personally, enjoyed the series immensely & the prequels are engaging in a new start, frontier sort of way.

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          1. By Matt White on

            When I described the series to a friend I said, imagine the main character is a decent normal starship captain. But nothing extraordinary. He comes out of cryosleep to find that the prevailing doctrine of the day is “fly us closer so I can hit them with my sword.”

  6. By matthieu on

    Today (for me) is the 11th on November and thus the end of WW1.

    During the was Europe basically committed suicide and destroyed itself with a tremendous enthusiasm. All available weapons were used. Nowadays some areas in my country remain in the red area: completely destroyed, too dangerous for re-habitation (a 2005-2006 experiment found 216 active shells, fuses and grenades on a 100m² area, digging only up to up a 15cm depth). They are unfit for population and heavily polluted). Event forests at the location are off-limit (trees are full of splinters and too dangerous for lumberjacks and the soil if full of lead, arsenic, phosgene…).

    Today 60 heads of states come and each of them visits its own war graves. There are hundreds in my area. Not hundred of graves. Hundreds of cemeteries. Each of them with 1.000 to 50.000 graves.

    If you select randomly a class of 100 men, by the end of the war one 34 are dead. 23 have been wounded at least once.

    Rigth now Macron and Markel are at Rethondes (place of high significance as armistices if ww1 and ww2 were signed there). Right now Trump was also expected in Bois Belleau but he cancelled “because it’s raining” (while his advisers go!). I’m really close to there and yes, there it’s just raining a little bit. This is a shame…

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    1. By Taylor Anderson on

      Hey Matthieu. Yep, I made a lengthy “11-11-11-18” post on the “Goat’s Ass” urging folks to reflect on the sacrifice of all involved, and to honor all veterans.
      As a Frenchman, your perspectives and observations are always noteworthy since you do, indeed, live upon one gigantic battlefield. It’s hard think of anyplace else on earth that has been fertilized by more blood throughout the centuries than France.
      By the way, thanks for the other little note you sent. Much appreciated, and I’ll put the contents to good use.

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    2. By Alexey Shiro on

      “During the was Europe basically committed suicide and destroyed itself with a tremendous enthusiasm.”

      As I once stated, “during the World War I, the Herbert Wells vision of future replaced the Jules Verne’s”. The naive optimism of late XIX century was gone; fear and uncertainty came to rule instead.

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  7. By Justin on

    Can’t believe I didn’t think of this earlier – shouldn’t U-112 have an Enigma machine onboard?

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    1. By Charles Simpson on

      Assuming the Germany in the world the League of Tripoli comes from has Enigma machines. It is possible the Germans if they have them provide the codes for the League if so until the League is aware of U-112’s defection the Union will have an intelligence bonanza.

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      1. By Steve White on

        According to Wiki, the Japanese and the Italians had simpler versions of Enigma-like devices (electromechanical rotary wheel code machines). If so, one wonders why one wasn’t salvaged from Amagi — perhaps because the Japanese ships then didn’t have one? But the knowledge of rotary wheel coders was known from the end of WWI, so the League may well know about them. Whether U-112 has one…

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    2. By Matt White on

      My guess is the league changed their codes after U-112 left so small chance of eavesdropping. However the union can make use of the enigma themselves. Without Alan Turing or someone of his caliber and a computer to go with him the league has no hope of cracking their own encryption system. This is going to be a big coup for the union and go a long way to securing their comms. Enigma is poorly suited to real time tactical comms though. That can only be fixed by better comms discipline.

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      1. By Justin on

        The only problem I’m seeing is that IIRC, proper communication would require at least one rotor machine to transmit, and one for each recipient.

        What the Union could do is take the Enigma apart, mass produce an earlier design, and put at least one in every single HQ. Still gives the Allies vital hands-on electromechnical knowledge, but the League might be able to figure the simpler machine out with enough time and resources.

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        1. By Matt White on

          Only if they have mathematicians. Number theorists and crypto experts aren’t all that common even on our world at this time. It’s highly unlikely they have anyone with the training. The League has more people but like the destroyermen their skill set in STEM is probably limited to the practical application of military hardware. Mechanical engineering and electrical engineering are going to be the most common. One big caveat is the French were big into sending their officers to get post graduate degrees. The Germans were too before the end of WW1 and their military colleges were shit down. It’s possible they may have an officer in the French contingent with a high level math degree however cracking enigma required putting the best mathematicians in Britain under one roof with a lot of resources. I don’t think that’s a feat the League could match.

          As far as replicating the enigma goes, the destroyermen have experience dealing with electromechanical devices. They have been able to copy the fire control computer of Walker at least twice now and it is also an electromechanical computer. Copying an enigma won’t happen overnight but such a complex machine has to come with service and repair manuals and of course they have men trained on its use and maintenance. I think given time, especially with the skills already earned in precision machining through other projects they could make a functionally exact replica.

          As far as use goes I agree. It’s for strategic comms. Not real time tactical comms. You put them on ships, at bases and in field HQs.

          The key here is that it denies the league to snoop on all of their comms. The rest comes from constantly rotating codes groups from the USN code books as well as really clamping down on the rampant comms abuse in the ranks. Radio silence needs to be observed in combat areas before action starts and nothing should be broadcast in the clear. Frequencies and codes should be regularly rotated and any gear at risk of capture must be destroyed. These best practices are obvious when dealing with a technologically comparable foe but the Grik and Doms don’t have radio so bad habits have been allowed to grow. That should have changed a few books back when it became apparent they had infosec issues. If I were a union Intel officer my first priority would be to dispatch men to clean up the fleet’s and army’s act in regards to comms.

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          1. By Justin on

            Yeah, encrypting and decrypting urgent information in the middle of a firefight is a pretty bad idea; every second counts. Use the radio if necessary, and talk in code.

            Speaking of which, callsigns for each unit or flight (Hitman Two-Actual, etc like OTL) seems doable.

            Agreed, agreed and agreed. Now let’s hope they don’t get a particularly bad officer. Or one reporting “nothing to report” every single day like that douchecanoe in the Afrika Korps.

  8. By Adrian Sanada on

    Mr. Anderson do you think when this series has finally come to a close you’d make a section in the back of the book like a Memorial to the Fallen? Commemorating all the Cats, Destroyermen, Impies, and so on who’ve been lost in this war to end all wars?

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    1. Taylor AndersonBy Taylor Anderson (Post author) on

      Interesting notion. I don’t know if the back of the final book is the best place for such a thing, though. The copy editor would probably cut it since it would be so long! On the other hand, Charles and others have kept a pretty good list on the Wiki. Might be another one of those things we could expand upon.

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      1. By Adrian Sanada on

        That’s very true. So many characters have come and gone that it’d probably be fifty pages of nothing but names! Still I’m glad you’re receptive to the idea itself. Honestly I don’t know how you can keep up with all the named characters you’ve made and where they’re all at.

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        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          I don’t think I could without the CoC at the end of the book. And you know, it’s amazingly sad when I delete names of characters who have died, and start prepping the CoC for the next book. Kind of makes it real. Weird.
          What’s fun, though, is when “named characters” who have been mentioned from time to time, but never made the cast because they don’t get a “big part,” or POV, suddenly jump to the front and “make the credits.”

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          1. By Adrian Sanada on

            Yeah you’re right I can only imagine what that must be like. Especially for when some of the “Old Breed” of characters from book one finally bite the bullet. So far when I’ve read your books I’ve gotten into the tradition of whenever a character I felt particularly attached to got their send off, I’ll set Taps to play. After watching these characters for just about a decade now I feel it’s the only fitting send off when they go.

        2. By Charles Simpson on

          Not really here are the 113 named Dead: A
          Adar
          Akera
          Fet-Alcas
          Rasik-Alcas
          Tassat-Ay-Aracca
          Arlskgter
          Captain Atkinson
          Brian Aubry
          B
          Pruit Barry
          Andrew Bates
          Saansa-Belkaa
          Walter Billingsly
          Gandy Bowles
          Stuart Brassy
          Jeff Brooks
          C
          Glen Carter
          Celestial Mother
          Russell Clancy
          Sam Clark
          D
          General Daanis
          Haan-Dar
          Eaan-Dat
          Leo Davis
          Conrad Diebel
          Harvey Donaghey
          Larry Dowden
          E
          David Elden
          Jim Ellis
          Geran-Eras
          Gaal-Etkaa
          F
          Haakar-Faask (General)
          Francisco Abuello Falto
          Saak-Fas (mate of Selass-Fris-Ar)
          Tom Felts
          Ru-Fet
          Staas-Fin
          Bob Flowers
          Billy Flynn
          F cont.
          Al Franklin
          Sidney Franks
          G
          Fitzhugh Gray
          Grikky
          Beth Grizzel
          Simon Gutfield
          H
          Simon Herring
          Hersh
          Lieutenant Hiro
          I
          Kukulkan de los Isla Guapas
          J
          Janssen
          K
          Rini-Kanaar
          David Kaufman
          Saama-Kera
          Captain Kurita
          Hisashi Kurokawa
          Norman Kutas
          L
          Raoul Laborde
          Becker Lange
          Mank-Lar
          Irwin Laumer
          Lef-ten-aant
          M
          Faan-Ma-Mar
          Gerald McDonald
          Jack Mackey
          Mack Marvaney
          James Silas McClain
          Ruth McDonald
          Sergeant McGinnis
          Ray Mertz
          Hara Mikawa
          Jamie Miller
          Tony Monroe
          Nakja-Mur (High Chief)
          N
          N’galsh
          Naga
          Ghanan Nerino
          O
          Sato Okada
          O cont.
          Gil Olivera
          P
          Casales Padilla
          Suaak-Pas-Ra
          Danny Porter
          Andy Powell
          R
          Kas-Ra-Ar (Sailing Master)
          Ror’at-Raal
          Ragak
          Rajendra
          Leslie Ranell
          Niaal-Ras-Kavaat
          Harrison Reed
          Righ
          Antonio Rizzo
          Richard Rogers
          Winny Rominger
          S
          Ramic-Sa-Ar
          Ra-Saan
          Risa-Sab-At
          Salig-Maa-Stir
          Loris Scurrey
          Seech
          Shighat
          Andy Simms
          Siska-Ta
          Haan-Sor-Plaar
          Frankie Steele
          Doc Stevens
          T
          Kek-Taal
          Tass
          Miami Tindal
          Rick Tolson
          Linus Truelove
          Tsalka
          V
          Alfred Vernon
          Adler Von Melhausen
          W
          Sandy Whitcomb

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          1. By Matt White on

            Some of those aren’t heroes so they wouldn’t be in the list but it’s a solid starting place.

  9. By john on

    im a big fan have all the books in audio from audible.com. was just looking at audiobook.com and noticed a review of ROB by someone who obviously hasn’t listened to the previous books. they gave you a 1 out of 5 . it sounded like they thought this was a standalone book and i was confused till i looked at the book cover and realized the cover does not say book 13 or reference the series it just says destroyermen at the top. you may want to change that before too many bad reviews kill sales of the book series

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    1. Taylor AndersonBy Taylor Anderson (Post author) on

      Thanks for the heads up, John, but there’s nothing I can do about that. Maybe a marketing decision? The HCs all have a list of previous books inside–that’s where I always look to make sure I’m not jumping into something in the middle–but I guess there’s no real way to do that electronically. Then again, seems like Amazon (isn’t that where people buy Audibles?) usually states “#5 of 13” or something like that? Either way, I haven’t looked at the review you describe. Seems like most of the really negative ones usually read like either they didn’t read it, (lots of “reviewers” actually LIKE to trash highly ranked stuff just for hoots, believe it or not), they’re mad because they can’t get the Kindle for .99, (like I have anything to do with that), or they just honestly don’t like the story. Oh yeah, some people hate all the technical stuff, or character development, and others hate that there’s not enough character development and technical stuff??!!. Nothing I can do about any of that and you can’t please everybody so I just do my best to write the best story I can and let the hate roll off. I have big shoulders. As always, I DO appreciate good reviews, of course, and they really do help–so please feel free to post one of you’re inclined.

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      1. By john on

        i have been an audible platinum member since before it was purchased by Amazon and yes they do state very clearly that a book is book 13 for example . the site i was browsing was audiobook.com . i have not used them before and was surprised by that review and that the ROB page did not show book number. they only listed 5 reviews but only the really negative review was accessable.
        keep up the good work personnally i think you walk the line quite well between too much and not enough detail as well as the line between too much detail reguarding the gore of battle and brushing off that aspect of war .

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  10. By Charles Simpson on

    Happy Halloween a WW 2 magazine cover with American Soldiers scaring a Jap with a Jack-o-lantern:

    American soldiers scare Jap with jack-o-lantern.png

    Originally shown on the Destroyermen Fan Assn page.

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      1. By Taylor Anderson on

        Hey! Yesterday was Halloween! Easy to tell when I’m pretty absorbed in what I’m writing . . .
        I’ve seen that magazine cover before, and I may actually HAVE it. Have to look. My grandfather started one of the first radio stations and recording studios in Texas, (Big Spring), certainly west of Ft Worth, back in 1927. As a news outlet, he received papers and magazines from all over the country, and along with the tens of thousands of 78s going back to the teens, he also had similar numbers of those papers and magazines, um, “archived,” here and there. For good or bad, he had a “never throw anything interesting away” attitude–which I share on a comparatively microscopic scale.
        When my grandfather passed, I was tasked with cleaning everything out. This included his music/sporting goods store (also around since the 20s), basements in several buildings, (some flooded), and various storage/warehouses on other properties he owned. Trying to sort out what was valuable and what was junk, for the benefit of my grandmother, was my first real exposure to archeology.
        Anyway, back to the point, I KNOW I’ve seen that magazine, and for every, say, 1000 cubic feet of stuff I trashed or liquidated, I may have kept a few cubic inches. This includes the cream (to my tastes) of 78s, a few radios dating back to the teens, (including the first US Army wireless transmitter for airplanes, and a couple of stacks of historically interesting magazines. Like my interest in first edition history books written during or immediately after their subject, (examples: “History of the War of 1898” c.1898, “The Great War” c. 1919, “Life of General Scott” c. 1852, “The Rough Riders” c. 1899,” I consider these magazines to be snapshots of period perception, uncolored by hindsight–and certainly by modern revisionist perspectives. (Hindsight might’ve been 20-20 once, but it is increasingly distorted).
        Oh well. Weird that seeing that magazine cover conjured such a stream of revelations and observations!

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        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          By the way, the Rough Riders book was courtesy of Charles! Maybe that’s what lit the subconscious boiler.

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          1. By donald j johnson on

            Is that old glass radio still in the “couple of cupic inches” 😉

  11. By Johm on

    As always, your books are an incredible read. One question, do you plan on any ships from Halsey’s typhoon crossing over?

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    1. Taylor AndersonBy Taylor Anderson (Post author) on

      Thanks John. Well, if anything comes through Halsey’s typhoon, it won’t be anything that actually experienced it. Against the rules. :)

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  12. By Adrian Sanada on

    Just finished River of Bones this morning and I have to say it was a fantastic ride all the way through. I can’t wait for June to roll around just to have Mr. Anderson hit me right in my feels like he’s done with each book so far.

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    1. By Henry Breinig on

      I certainly agree. River of Bones was quite the good read, though it being a Destroyermen book, that’s to be expected at this point.

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      1. By Taylor Anderson on

        Thanks Henry. It was a tough one in many ways but I loved writing it.

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