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Posted March 17, 2016 by Taylor Anderson in category "Uncategorized


  1. By matthieu on

    Breaking news….

    So the series have been sold to a network. Bad news it seems that they edited the plot.

    In 1941 a handsome young officer, Captain Reddy, is desperately looking for action. Here is a snippet:

    The kiss was like a Rising Tides. He jumped Into the Storm. As he approached Deadly Shores he felt a Storm Surge opening the Straits of Hell. He acted as in a River of Bones.

    It ended with Blood in the Water.

    On the other side of the hill, he heard Distant Thunders.

    ok…. I get out and I run far away.

    1. By Charles Simpson on

      Clever perhaps The crusade of kissing as he jumped into the storm …

      I should leave now too.

        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          Sure, why not. Lots of people still haven’t read it and many won’t for months. Always a big up-tick around Christmas, people giving hardcovers as gifts, but I don’t see a problem if you preface your post with a spoiler warning. The only problem here is that people can see the whole thread so maybe responses to spoilers should include the warning as well? This is not me being a jerk, far from it. I don’t want to ruin it for anybody.

          1. By Justin on

            No, that’s entirely fair. I’ll start small:

            SPOILER ALERT

            SPOILER ALERT

            The crew’s thinking of cutting down Savoie‘s wrecked 340mm. Assuming this catches on with other designs, how well would a capital ship with six “sawed-off” 13.4″/35s perform against the Allies’ opponents?

          2. By Steve Moore on

            got mine finally. Got a long rainy weekend to read it. Waiting to see who got the hook from “Sparky” Anderson. Since Taylor killed off so many Destroyermen in the first few books, my guess is that it’s a Lemurian, since we really haven’t identified enough Impies or RRRppers to have them wear out their welcome. Although the Lemurians took a big hit to the lineup with Adar. Anh I hope it’s not Lawrence, although Petey has definitely worn out his welcome.

          3. By Steve White on

            As to the performance of the Savoie, I bet it has a lot less to do with the cut-down 13.4″ guns and a lot more to do with fire control, damage control, and ship-handling. Unless the League has some hidden big ship, Savoie will be at least equal.

    1. By Jeff on

      I’ve been in my own special No Spoiler Hell. I buy these books for my brother and he loves them. I read them instantly. Beer, deck, leave me alone for a while. And then I read them again much, much slower.And then read them again before a new book comes out. Only series I’ve ever done that with, and I read constantly.

      He needs to stare at them endlessly. They have to sit on his kitchen table while he drinks coffee and waits until the Earth’s magnetic field has reached exactly the resonance he requires, the wind is from the right direction and speed and his toenails are the correct length. Hopefully the phone doesn’t ring during any of that or it’s a total reset.

      This is why older brothers are masters at psychological warfare.

      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        You’re soooo… wrong there Jeff.
        It’s the Mom’s who are the grand master manipulators
        at psychological warfare as you’ll often discover
        (when it’s too late!).
        Sorry bout that!!!

        1. By Jeff on

          No argument here. I could write a dissertation on that! But it’s my brother I’m buying the books for :)

    2. By Jeff on

      An idea I couldn’t get out of my head is that at some point in the future Jash and his Slashers, maybe the Grik as a whole, will be allies against the League.
      Stranger things have happened – Laney finally grew up.

  2. By Charles Simpson on


    Being blind an poor I have been delighted that YouTube now has more Science Fiction audiobooks you can listen to. Began listening to one it was from Tantor, Hmm are Taylor’s books on YouTube? Yes the first four books! Does Taylor know, I’ll ask in an E-Mail No he did not now he has to report them.

    OK so why should you care? Simple reading Taylor and other author’s books are an entertainment we love, or you would not be on his author’s webpage right? For Taylor besides the enjoyment of spinning Destroyermen yarns it is a job earning money for his family, and by the way for the families of his publishers. Copyright infringement takes money from those folks, it is stealing! If those people are not paid then the entertainment we crave will not be there.

    So if you see what may be copyright infringement report it to the author if you can. Charlie

    1. By Steve Moore on

      Glad you noticed that Charles. Although I would be willing to pay for an audiobook, you’re getting more than just the words, you’re getting the effort of the narrator(s) as well, and they’re pros at it. I listen to a lot of audiobooks (spend a lot of time on the road) and it’s much more enjoyable than listening to some dull insurance texts. I am scrupulous about copyrights when writing forms, and I’d hope that people respect my work.

      Maybe audiobooks could be Taylor’s next venture, after the graphic novels…

      1. By matthieu on

        Well, Taylor may be cunning: he can ask youtube to monetize the files… for him.

          1. By Charles Simpson on

            The adds are the way YouTube makes money to monetize the files. You want no adds, get the disk from Tantor or Audiobook from Amazon. Remember the old adage “You get what you pay for,” listen for free the people buying the adds are paying.

      2. By Joe Thorsky on

        The best audio rendition of a book that I ever heard and will never forget
        were the almost nightly bedtime performances conducted by my mom
        and dad to all our family’s assembled grandma and grandpa visiting nieces
        and nephews (those age discriminated and ruled not eligible to play
        canasta, rummy or pinochle when the time for the ritual Bedtime Story had
        arrived. Their reading of various citations from William Bennett’s Book of Virtues was an “Oscar” Madison worthy of an event to ever witness and Wildely remember!

        Gatebox Labs is looking for family friendly Avatars to compete directly against the Watson, Siri, Alexa and Cortana AI’s. Along with a possible Comic book manga offshoot,A Taylor collaboration with an outfit like Gatebox Labs could lead to a cast of Destroyermen characters rousting and ruining and complicating the daily lives of all draftees and enlisted men, women, Grik and Lemurian alike. A Dennis Silva or Arnold Horn avatar is cause celebre’enough to force a running stampede to the nearest bar for Southern comfort and solace.

  3. By Joe Thorsky on

    In any case, I do not think it is even necessary to remind any of you
    that when it comes to Mr. Anderson’s “Destroyermen’s World” anything/everything that can happen unusually does andin many not so matter of factly” mystical or mysterious ways.
    (And all with the added subtly and flare of a very pistol! or a two by four
    over the head).
    There are all those messy complications to Dwarf over and Gnome in on.

    Gun Deck Sight Aftermath
    “The navigator of the flagship is always quite pleased and satisfied with himself when the average of the noon signals confirms his own figures. When they do not he shakes his head and mutters about “those clumsy destroyer sailors” who “don’t know how to read a sextant.”
    Clear The Decks by Daniel V. Gallery
    Warner Books, New York- 1949

    Can “Harder” wait for your own “Charlie Two-Blankets” character to suddenly appear and give a submariner’s personalized grief and perspective to Dennis Silva his Destroyerman’s counterpart and/or rival?
    So will we see an Interservice Kemosabe in your next installment?

    You might want to consider making a pilgrimage and detouring to Honda Point, California as the anniversary of Des Ron 11 fast approaches.

    On September 8, 1923, the biggest peacetime disaster in U.S. Navy history occurred when commodore Captain Edward Watson of Destroyer Squadron 11 (Desron 11) ignored his radio navigation device and led 9 of his 14 ships to run aground at Honda Point in the Santa Barbara Channel in California, with 7 of the Clemson-class destroyers sinking.

    Des Ron 11—Delphy, S. P. Lee, Young, Woodbury, Nicholas, Fuller and Chauncey—were stranded on the California coast and lost in the US Navy’s worst-ever peacetime disaster.

      1. By Doug White on

        That’s an awesome T-Shift….love the shoulder quote best of all.

  4. By Tregonsee on

    Hard to tell because it pixilates badly when blown up, but that definitely looks like a 50 star flag on the cover of RoB.

    1. Taylor AndersonBy Taylor Anderson (Post author) on

      (Sigh) It is. I have the same fight with them on every single cover that shows a US flag. Their attitude is “who will notice?” and I can’t get through to them that a LOT of people will. I got them to fix it on Devil’s Due because it was so prominent, but I went round and round with them so much on the RoB cover regarding so many other things–they HATE to change stuff–that I thought it was fixed. (Not only the number of stars, but the flag’s position). Nope. At least they got rid of the giant rangefinder on the fo’c’sle that was as big and prominent as a 5″ gun turret. Don’t know where they came up with that. I doubt they even knew what it was and just figured “hey! Whatever that is, it’ll look cool there!” Nope.
      All this said, they do a really good job on my covers. I send them sketches, photos, descriptions, the works. Sometimes the cover looks just like an improved version of my sketch, but sometimes I get the feeling they didn’t look at half of what I sent and just made stuff up. That wouldn’t be much of a problem with almost any other series, but this really is different. Not only is there an actual historical component, but a lot of readers (like you) are sharp enough to notice when things are just flat wrong. Can you tell this is kind of a sore subject with me?

      1. By Tregonsee on

        Thanks for confirming my suspicion. I noticed it at B&N, but that didn’t stop me from buying a copy. I DO have my priorities in the right order.

        Getting the right flag, for some reason, is a pet peeve of mine. While it is fairly common to see a 50 star flag in a WWII setting, I have also noticed a surprising number of 48 star flags in contemporary settings. Still haven’t figured that one out. Maybe they just grab the first one on the shelf in the prop room.

        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          Yeah, things like that really bug me. John Wayne could get away with wagging around an 1892 Winchester in the Civil War but nobody else can. Things like that have generally gotten better though, at least in the movies. They still stretch things quite a bit. I worked on a movie once in which the main character was carrying a Paterson Colt during the Texas revolution. I made a fuss and they said “what? Paterson’s were patented the same year—1836”. Yeah, but…. they didn’t get it. Oh well. Maybe the character swiped his from old Sam on his way to the patent office.
          By the way! Welcome to our little forum!

      2. By Charles Simpson on

        The really wild thing is with the multiverse a US could have a fifty star flag even if incorrect in our time line.

        Taylor has shared some of his sketches with the Destroyermen Wiki check out his art on the PB 5 family: hint click on pic to see enlargement.

        1. By Justin on

          Wasn’t either Alaska or Hawaii explicitly called a “territory,” though?

        1. By donald j johnson on

          The one thing i have always wondered is why did the grik ev3n have the ability to make steel plate. Untill the desrtoyer men and the amigi arrived they had to need for plate steel. Then all of a sudden they had the ability to make and work 6 or 10 inch sreel plate. They would need rolling mills and besimer furnaces capible of poaring 20 tonnes at a time. Seems unreal to me. The dirgables seem more realistic.

          1. By Alexey Shiro on

            Er, as far as I recall, Grik ship armor was initially cast-iron, and now forged wrought iron. Not steel.

        2. By Charles Simpson on

          We know the Grik made swords, and had an iron industry in India, as to the industrial processes used Taylor has not gotten into the nitty gritty, and such detail would probably scare off readers in droves. We know from quotes the first plates presented to Kurokawa were brittle cast iron, later acceptable plate was made either Bessemer or Open earth process. Perhaps Taylor will chime in.

          1. By Taylor Anderson on

            Right. Grik probably used more iron than ‘Cats did, at first, and India was their primary source–at first. Remember how many unfinished, unarmored ships they had for a while? And the first armor was very brittle, established many times. Their guns were, too, often bursting. Boilers and even engines were established as unsatisfactory due to workmanship and materials for a great while as well. It was also established that iron and steel production began to improve fairly rapidly due to Japanese influence. A great deal of superior plate was captured at Madras and Grik City; good enough to salvage or re-purpose at any rate. Having already gone through the process of making steel for Lemurians, a lengthy dissertation on Grik manufacture would’ve been interesting to us, but tiresome for many so I merely referred to its quality as “steadily improving” or something like that from time to time, often to the dismay of the Allies.

          2. By donald j johnson on

            The quick improvement still required rolling mills which is the real question and those would require at least a year to build prototypes then another year to perfect before real good plate could be produced. You need good steel to make the rollers and good lathes to turn them. Good bearings so they turn properly.
            it just seems much too soon

          3. By Justin on

            On the bright side, the Allies might capture Harvey-grade steel foundries once the Grik finally surrender and team up.

      3. By Steve Moore on

        Must be hard finding sketches of invisible gunners. Those guys must work pretty hard at that…

        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          Guess you’re talking about the covers again? Yeah . . .

          1. By Steve Moore on

            Can’t wait to see what they do to the Nussie flag….

  5. By Clifton Sutherland on

    Just finished the new book- Got it for a steal of 5 dollars (thank heavens for coupons!) at Barnes and Noble, and have been devouring it every chance I get. As usual, twas amazing, and I felt that the battles were especially unique in how they unfolded, their location and weapons, etc. Looking forward to seeing how the new geopolitical developments will manifest in later books.

    And whose this Rob fella everyone seems to be talking about? 😉

    P.S. I’ve been away from the website a long time, mainly due to a chaotic year at school, but damn is it good to be back!

    1. By Steve White on

      Downloaded on day 1, read it in a couple big gulps. Very much enjoyed it.

      Also back after a considerable absence.

        1. By donald j johnson on

          Well, it is almost school tome again so soon 2e will have the general back as well

  6. By Jeff on

    Unrelated to ROB I have been listening to a podcast that many of you are probably aware of, but maybe some aren’t. Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History is also very interesting and I happen to have #61 (BLITZ) Painfotainment on while I am painting the kitchen. No, I am not affiliated with it in any way.

    This is a very long standalone show about the history of torture, criminal punishment, methods and the (surprising) reasons behind some of it. Not done with the four hour podcast but this is a good one and I can’t help but think of the bloody Doms again and again. Worth listening to if you have the time.

  7. By matthieu on

    I’m not done yet but until now it’s perfect.

    Where can I say something about the book (and yes it’s full spoiler as it’s about a stratgic remark).

    1. By Justin on

      Three week spoiler ban, no exceptions. Fortunately, three weeks ends Tuesday.

        1. By Justin on

          So it is. Fire away.

          Though some in the Tech Discussions prefer to wait another week or so, so maybe stick to mild spoilers?

          1. By Taylor Anderson on

            I think it’s best if we all wait a tad longer—till the one month line—simply because (A) I’m pretty sure that was the original deal (B) like I said, a lot more people read these posts than actually participate. We all tend to forget that from time to time. Spoilers spilled here will go mainstream fast.

      1. By donald j johnson on

        Finished my second reading and plan to read it again in a month or so. Taylor did a fine job as usual. Wish that Certain persons had not been killed off but It will clean up the plot in regards to others.
        Wish I had time to do another raid of east Texas.

  8. By matthieu on

    sploiler spoiler…well not really

    Here is a thread to list typos and only typos. No comment about the book nor anything else.

    p152 –> Confédértion Etats Souverains should be “Confédération des Etats Souverains”

    Fun fact: to me it sounds a lot like what you know as “français tirailleur” but the US translation of “petit nègre” into français tirailleur” is also faulty. The litteral translation is “little negro” (there is no pejorative content in French).

    You can read this article:

    1. By Taylor Anderson on

      Gah. That has to be one of their “repair edits” because I put des . . .

      1. By Justin on

        Might be time to consider a new publisher…

        As for the English parts, Page 87 and the Specs can’t seem to decide if Leopardo has four 20mms and two 40s, or six 20s.

        1. By Taylor Anderson on

          Really? (slap my forehead) Well, lets keep up with stuff like this so I can fix it in the paperback.

          1. By matthieu on

            Talking about your books: i noticed that the cover was not actually the “real” one but a printed paper over the cover. It’s very strange for me as I’m used to “real” printed covers. Such books are here really old fashioned.

            Do you know if there is a specific reason for that or if it’s a US custom?

          2. By William Curry on

            Dust Jackets on hardcover trade books is very common in the US. Libraries usually wrap the dust jacket in plastic to protect the book.

        2. By Lou Schirmer on

          Another of Matthieu’s Confedertion errors on Pg. 433. Can’t figure out how to put in the accent marks, sorry.

          I’ve also got a couple of observations about the Specs section. Not sure if they’re errors or Taylor changing things up.

          1. pg. 456, USS Gray’s main battery is listed as 3×2 DP 5.5″. I thought the bag guns were strictly surface action weapons, not DP?

          2. pg. 458, All the 10 cylinder radials are back to their old 325 HP ratings from BITW & the P-1Cs are down to 255mph. Actually 255 mph would be a good speed for the 365 HP version, but I digress.

          1. By Justin on

            Isn’t dual-purpose or surface-only dependent on the gun mount? Maybe Baalkpan reconfigured them or made new ones.

          2. By Taylor Anderson on

            Ahhh, no. Whenever I change something in the specs section, the CEs always go “but that’s not what it was before!” and freak out, usually resetting to whatever default THEY last worked on–and when the CEs change from one book to the next . . . Sometimes makes me wonder why I try so hard. As usual. we need to start a list. As for the new 5.5″ DPs, they are actually new, mounts and everything. They’d been making liners for Amagi’s 5.5″s and that was the rationale for sticking with that diameter as opposed to changing over to a 6″ or something. At the same time, as bag guns, they still won’t be great AA weapons, but they do have that capability.

          3. By Dilandu on

            //the CEs always go “but that’s not what it was before!” and freak out, usually resetting to whatever default THEY last worked on//

            Aaaa, so that’s why, good ol’ “Leopardo” still described as “Esploratori”-class destroyer, instead of “Leone”-class Esploratori.

            Interesting problem – reluctance of editors to make corrections, hm.

          4. By Lou Schirmer on

            So the 5.5″ guns are DP?
            And the 10 cylinder radials are back to 325HP?
            I’ll take them off the very sort list of corrections to make. Not going to be a big list for this book.

          5. By Taylor Anderson on

            Yeah. (I’ll ask Charles not to re-post this on the Association page because if the vast majority of readers haven’t noticed the errors cited here, there’s no point in drawing them to their attention–yet–but I’ll try to explain how some of those errors tend to get “carried along,” or why some may even seem incomprehensible).

            I’ve had a few really good copy editors, but also some that may have been technically “good,” but also overly intrusive, trying to either “fix” things to conform with the MW Dictionary, or with a previous style sheet that has been compiled. The problem is, a lot of terms I use are either highly specialized, antiquated, or just made up and don’t appear in the dictionary they reference. And since the tech in the story and the spec sheet evolves, the style sheet needs to be updated from book to book. Sometimes it apparently hasn’t been, or they may have referenced a style sheet for a much earlier book. When they send the CE manuscript back to me, I spend more time restoring things they changed (particularly dialog!)than I do actually rewriting things. This can be very tedious because I have to write little justifications for why they need to leave things alone. Ultimately, they will send me the page proofs and I have to go through the process again, after they have either incorporated or rejected the repairs I made. The problem then is that none of the previous exchanges are highlighted and not only am I unable to confirm the changes, but I’m only able to make small corrections at that point because I barely have enough time to read it, much less perform further editing, and THAT is the version that goes out with the ARC. It’s also the last time I see the manuscript before the book comes out and I never know whether they incorporate or reject the last round of suggestions.
            I’m not whining. My books are not unique in this and most authors surely go through a similar process, but the myriad “voices” and certain technical aspects in this series do present unusual challenges for CEs and I do sympathize with them. Think about it: there probably aren’t that many series’ out there with so much real and made up spec detail–or readers who will actually catch inconsistencies or inaccuracies. On the other hand, I wouldn’t write things in the books if I wasn’t pretty dang sure they were right, and when they change those things, it reflects badly on me and MY research. I am sympathetic, but it is very frustrating at times.
            Anyway, that’s how things change back and forth, particularly in the spec sheet. My very first reference to Leopardo might have actually called her an “esploratori class,” though I doubt it. Chances are, they rejected the caps on “Leone” and rearranged it to emphasize the unusual “esploratori” word. This probably got in the style sheet and they’ve defaulted to it ever since no matter what I write. They think this aids continuity, but it only perpetuates errors on their part or mine.

          6. By Henry Breinig on

            I’ve actually got a whole set of Amagi preliminary design documents, and one shows DP mountings for the 140mm guns. Interesting stuff, which I’d happy to provide links to. Otherwise, it’s in the Hiraga Online Archive from Japan.

          7. By matthieu on

            “The problem is, a lot of terms I use are either highly specialized, antiquated, or just made up and don’t appear in the dictionary they reference”

            I noticed. Sometimes I just say “ok, that should be a thingy that you put in a contraption to activate a gadget and the thingumabob works”. That’s especially the case for nautical related words as sometimes I don’t even know their name in French. Sometimes it’s quite funny:
            ok… joggle…. Definition: a slender triangular recess cut into the faying surface of a frame or steamed timber to fit over the land of clinker planking, or cut into the faying edge of a plank or rebate to avoid feather ends on a strake of planking. WTF? Translation: embrever… WTF again?

            “The problem then is that none of the previous exchanges are highlighted”

            Honestly, given the current editing software on the market, IMHO this is highly unprofessional of them. You deserve a better editing method (such as an automatic “version comparing tool”).

            We know that you’re research is really excellent and that you wrote exactly what you wanted to say.

          8. By Lou Schirmer on

            What I find to be amusing & yet tragic at the same time, is books written before computer “editing” usually had far fewer errors, if any, in them. Proof reading would appear to be a lost art.

  9. By Allan Cameron on

    Been awhile, but I just finished the new book, thank God for Kindle and the internet. Read it here on Crete in the sunshine on holiday. As usual Taylor it is excellent, unputdownable. Now have to read it again more slowly to pick up on all the implications. As always you leave us needing to wait another year for the next instalment. Keep up the good work, and try not to make it too hard for the Walkers, they deserve some breaks after all this surely.

  10. By Joe Thorsky on

    Fellow Confederates and Taylor

    ROB has finally arrived courtesy of USPS logistics (Hip! Hip! Hooray!!-YAHOO!!!).
    I will unfortunately have to defer and delay and postpone my scheduled appointment with Mr. J. Daniels and ROB and temporarily tempt those finicky Book of Fates.
    Due to some awfully suspicious, coincidental and unanticipated bad timing, answering ROB’S Ahab’s like specter and siren call will have to wait TFN until after Ihave finished tracking and following the riveting exploits and adventures of Machinist Mate “Charlie Two Blankets” (Silva’s Rival?) by completing a reading of Harry Homewood’s “Silent Sea” and “O God of Battles”.
    Lots of excellent reading to look forward too!

    Fyi-Silent Sea
    Harry Homewood
    McGraw-Hill Books, New York 1981
    pp 57 to 69

    O God of Battles
    Harry Homewood
    William Morrow and Company, New York 1983
    pp 349-59

    Crazy Old Soldier mp3 Ray Charles

  11. By Lou Schirmer on

    Just got back from a safari to my local bookstore. I was going to get the latest Larry Correia & John Ringo book Saints. Of course they’d only gotten one & it was gone. Amazon, here I come, BUT the A’s were just to my left & I caught a glimpse of something with “Bones” on it. One double take later & I had ROB in my sweaty claws & shuffled nonchalantly to the cash register, where they didn’t bat an eye & here I am ready to read & spoil ten days early. I don’t know if someone at corporate read 13 as 03, but Books-A-Million might still have them on sale, if you’re quick.

    1. By Steve Moore on

      Well, Lou, spare the rest of us. To my knowledge, have not gotten anything from Hamazon, although both FedEx and UPS have lately been unable to find my house. Too bad there is not an option for using the USPS; although I have regularly had issues with them, they at least are able to find, and deliver to, a PO box. Funny, FedEx regularly delivers to the Post Office, but guess they are unable to make the connection to the PO box inside. Maybe Amazon should buy the USPS.

    2. By donald j johnson on

      Damn get me one and try to refrain from reading it allninnone night. Wonder what taylor is mumbling now ai his publisher.

  12. By Lou Schirmer on

    I got curious when discussing subs elsewhere. It was brought up that the Surcouf type & the German U-boat had been presumably operating in the Mediterranean & possibly the Atlantic since 1939. What did they do to keep from getting eaten by mountain fish? They weren’t using active pinging in the Indian Ocean. I could see the MF staying out of the Med, but were they in the Atlantic? Or are they a Pacific only species?

    1. By Charles Simpson on

      IIRC one of the books mentions Atlantic Mountain Fish are less aggressive than Pacific Mountain Fish. I can’t remember where I saw that likely in Storm Surge where Fred and Kari are escaping the Doms.

      1. By Charles Simpson on

        Storm Surge near end of Chapter 26 page 302 Captain Anson, “We believe they [the Mountain Fish females and young] gather here [El Passo de Fuego] with their young, on both sides of the strait after giving birth somewhere else.” So does “both sides of the strait” mean north and south or west and east? Perhaps Taylor will answer he mentioned in a call today that he might be away from the computer for a couple of days.

        1. By Lou Schirmer on

          He’s probably politely asking “Those In Authority” how last years Amazon FUBAR, was transferred by squall to this year.

    2. By Steve Moore on

      Been reading up on European African colonies pre- and during WW1, Between Germany and France, They had most of north and west Africa. Don’t know how WWI turned out in the CES world, but my guess is that the Americans didn’t get the Germans to turn over all their colonies. And so in a roundaabout answer, my guess is that the Surcouf and the U boat were reaching out to overseas colonies, when the transfer came along. Maybe the Uboat is dinner?

  13. By Jeff Bloch on

    Well on iBooks the sample button has appeared, but nothing happens when you press it. I suspect it will go live at 12am east coast time as in releases past.

    1. By Jeff Bloch on

      Well the sample button still does nothing. I thought it would go live at midnight two weeks befor book release like happened once before……

      1. By Charles Simpson on

        As upset as Taylor was they needed asbestos ear plugs from the first time!

    2. By Justin on

      It’s live right now, if anybody’s still curious.

        1. By Jeff on

          This is like telling your little brother “whatever you do DON’T look in there !!!” Yeah, I would prefer it if there weren’t a sample button but of course I had to look.

          Having read the Prologue and the beginning of Chapter 1 it looks like we’re in for some fun! No ruinous spoilers so far.

        2. By donald j johnson on

          Well i tried and it does not show on my cell to no spoilers for me

      1. By Jeff Bloch on

        Well the sample button still did not work and when I pre-ordered it went away….

        1. By Jeff on

          I looked for it with my iphone and opened it in ibooks. Likely your browser.
          Hindsight being clear I would have just waited. Physically incapable of doing that but it sounds good

    1. By Steve Moore on

      Well, within 30 days to ROB. Waiting to see if FedEx pitches this on the lawn like he does Chewy boxes. Broke down and had to find another series to occupy the time, got started on Jack Reacher. Kind of violent, perhaps a relation to Silva.

      1. By donald j johnson on

        It’s been 36 hours or more since anyone posted here. Must be rereading all the books so they keep everything in context

  14. By Jeff on

    I’ve been watching a woodchuck that lives under my barn. Now I have four of them. I must be getting mellow with age because there was a time when that would have been the first and last sighting of them. I told my wife (city girl – everything out there is a beaver to her) that they were cute little “vegetitians” and that they are pests – “sometimes some things just need killing”

    Is it July 10th yet ?

    1. By donald johnson on

      You have little tint woodchucks, Taylor has Gigantic 300-600 lb hogs. He has to cary his Doom-Whomper to get to the barn!

    2. By Steve Moore on

      disconnect hose from sprinkler, put down hole.
      Go out for pizza.
      Forget to shut hose off for night.

      OK, I hook the hose up to the tractor exhaust, but I have a garden.

        1. By Steve Moore on

          On top of the groundhog. Was at the store the other day buying subsonic .22LR to annoy my groundhogs with and got a ration of shirt from multi-earringed clerk; what was I buying it for, did I have ID to go with my credit card, etc. Told him I was going to sit on top of my garage and shoot passersby. That shut him up. Waiting for a visit from the State Police Action Squad (or whatever they call themselves). Guess I’d better hide my old bolt-action Iver Johnson in case they want to seize it as being a danger to the community,

          1. By Jeff on

            Eeeeeee. Careful with that axe, Eugene.

            I see my woodchuck thread gained a little traction since I checked last. My normal remedy is doled out 40 grains at a time and I’ve found CCI standard velocity to be effective. Tried a different approach.

            I came so close to nailing one of them with a potato cannon they now give the house a sufficiently wide birth. This is what they get for screwing with a man with too much time on his hands.

            And they ate the potato.:)

            Jash would get it – they weren’t ready for THAT !

            JULY 10TH ALREADY !!!!

          2. By Steve Moore on

            I live next to two churches (OK, on the other side is a cemetery, so maybe that balances things off) and a state road in the back, so unless I’m shooting straight down into the ground, it’s dangerous. Shooting through a plastic bottle doesn’t keep the noise down either. They know enough to stay out of range of air gun. Havahart works once in a while but I usually get rabbits or squirrels. Everyone gets a ride to the transfer station. No, I don’t stop at river crossings, no fish big enough to eat them.

          3. By donald j johnson on

            Always wondered what load taylor uses on his hogs. Definatly not 40 grains.

  15. By Generalstarwars333 on

    Well, it’s that time of year again. We hand in our school computers tomorrow, so I’m afraid I won’t be on much, if at all, until sometime around the start of September. It’s been a heck of a year, and I hope to have a great time with all of you next year. Until then, I bid you all adieu.

    1. By Charles Simpson on

      Have a good summer break, and enjoy River of Bones it is a hoot!

    2. By Steve Moore on

      Library usually has computers, as long as you don’t look at naughty pictures. Use them occasionally when the Stink Pad decides to act up.

  16. By Joe Thorsky on

    A Destroyerman’s Treatise and post graduate seminar on Blue and Brown Water Humor
    No expletive deletions, no swear jar penalties, just the leading edge, the tasteful and the funny!
    Showing all knock off imitators how it’s done
    Laughter rest assured.

    2 From Final Harbor
    Harry Homewood
    McGraw Hill Book Company
    New York, New York 1980

    “In view of the fact that both the Japanese officers were known to be experts in
    Jungle warfare and inasmuch as the US Navy’s Marine Corps is now engaged in a
    bitter battle to hold on to Guadalcanal, it has been officially decided that the, ah the mining of the bath house was a heavy loss to the enemy and Mako is hereby
    Given credit for sinking one, ah Japanese bath house!”……

    “Then he ran out of the building, it was built up on stilts like so many desert buildings, and went under the building and jumped into the cesspool that the building’s toilets emptied into!” ” He stayed there all that night and the next day and then he climbed out the following night and walked out into the desert to a prearranged place and was picked up by a light plane.” “I’m told that the plane’s pilot put in for a Hardship Discharge, saying the Major’s stench had ruined his nose and eyes for life!” …

  17. By Lou Schirmer on

    Was looking at the cover of ROB & got to thinking. The “crocodile” on the cover may actually be one of the amphibious Grik-type Great Mothers. She may have come out of one of the side lagoons/swamp areas to see what all the fuss was about & stuck around to snack on some Grik galleys.

  18. By Steve Moore on

    Headed off to Tractor Supply for parts for the beast, and thought; zep engines– low speed– farmland– someone needs to invent the tractor, and put the brontosarry era in the past. Austral, the NUS heartland (they probably have horses too), and maybe even Halikstan could use some tractors (since the Griks would probably eat the horses, as Plains Indians sometimes did). Air-cooled, so they’d operate winter or summer.

    Sorry, guys, subject of tanks and battleships is getting a bit old. Thinking of more realistic steps in evolution. Mechanized farming frees up labor, and unless Alexey can figure up a relative of Igor Sikorsky that can have been transferred from Czarist Russia, don’t think you want to hear about my helicopter idea…

    1. By Steve Moore on

      Looking at my 1963 Nat Geo Atlas, and realized that Cabinda is a straight shot over to Zanzibar. Wonder if the Grik, now that they have zeps, thought of going that way? Also a shorter flight for Fiedler and Tante Ju.

  19. By Joe Thorsky on


    More ‘What if’ bad timing events for your consideration
    Suppose on its first War Patrol USS Nautilis (Narwhal-class submarine SS 168)
    at Midway was not depth charged by IJN Arashi after its failed torp attack on
    IJN BB Kirishima and the IJN cruiser Nagara
    Suppose also that the Rosetta Stone- the one deciphering two languages;
    Egyptian and Greek and three writing systems; hieroglyphic, demotic, and
    Greek had not been discovered by French scientists and its military during
    the Napoleonic War in 1799.

    Additional supplemental readings for Destroyermen graduates
    1 Eminent Americans
    Namesakes of the Polaris Submarine fleet
    By H.G. Rickover
    See History and Backgrounds of
    1 George Washington SSBN 598
    2 Abraham Lincoln SSBN 602
    3 US Grant SSBN 631
    4 Robert E Lee SSBN 601
    5 Stonewall Jackson SSBN 634
    6 John Marshall SSBN 611
    7 Casimer Pulaski SSBN 633
    A Remarkable and most humbling read and reminder
    especially on this 2018 Memorial Day holiday.

    2 Star Carrier 1 Earth Strike
    Ian Douglas
    Eos Harper Collins 2010
    A passage:
    “Gray had released the The Dustcatcher, sending a microscopic
    speck of collected dust and hydrogen atoms compressed into
    a neutron micro-body hurtling ahead at half the speed of light.
    If it, by sheer, random chance, hit an enemy spacecraft as it zipped
    Through the system, so much the better, but there was no way to aim it.
    Like the vaporized whiffs of any A7 (StarHawk) strike packages that had
    missed their targets, the dust balls released by the infallible fighters
    would remain Intersteller navigation hazards for eons to come.”…

    3 “…riding the endless waves of the past, bound for
    mysterious ports (that) they will never make, on
    voyages from which they never will return.”…
    Excerpt Ghost Ships of the Great Lakes
    Dwight Boyer
    Dodd Mead & Company New York

    Phantom Ships that pass in the night
    Lyle A Myers

    Shimmering ripples on the lakes below
    The full moon’s eerie silver glow
    In the stillness of the summer night
    Reveal weird shadows in translucent light.

    Strange forms take shape, tall masts and spars
    Like fairy wands, touch the twinkling stars,
    Then through the magic of mind and sight
    We see the Phantom Ships that pass in the night

    Unfolding the mysteries of long, long ago
    Lost vessels and crews lying deep down below
    Return as ghosts and sail on once more
    Toward that beacon light on the distant shore.

    The Master of all ships is now in command
    The course is charted to that promised land;
    Not a sound breaks the silence in the pale moonlight
    On those Phantom ships that pass in the night

    Re: Rail Gun tech definitely an Energy hog which complicates development and
    A Cautionary Note:
    Futuremore-When you live and are addicted by the circuit board you become only
    far too dependent and are enthralled and enslaved by its alluring and questionable reliability and promise.

  20. By donald j johnson on

    against sailing vessels those tarts mentioned a few weeks ago would be real good with a few mods.
    1 add a contact primer for a flexible payload. I drop and 10 to 50 inflamble darts are suddenly starting fires all over the ship
    2. modified head and sails get ripped up and or set on fire.

  21. By Joe Thorsky on

    Sounds Bodkins everyone!
    Let’ bring out of French mothballs
    the cold war era infra sound cannons
    and reintroduce employ/deploy them back
    into all superpower weapons inventories.
    Talk about an everlasting Silent Spring, Summer, Fall And Winter!!

  22. By Paul Smith on

    It’s interesting how fast things change. I was looking through copies of Fahey’s Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet, 1939 & 1959 editions. The first started with battleships, the latter with aircraft carriers. In 39, we had 15 built & 8 building battleships. In 59 we had 10. We had seven carriers in 39, in 59, we had FIFTY NINE! Amazingly in only 20 years the rolls had changed. BB’s were the heavy hitters, now the CV’s had that job.

    1. By Joe Thorsky on

      An even better resource for you to examine is
      the Bluejacket manuals for the years as an
      additional aid in a reexamination of the military
      culture as it evolved and has changed in the
      pre/post and cold war eras.

    2. By Justin on

      That’s just human nature (mixed with a bit of rock-paper-scissors); once the first one does well, suddenly there’s a race to get in on the action. Same thing with trains, planes, radios, radar, tanks, smartphones and 3D movies.

      We’re probably going to see another military one soon. Once the Navy’s coilgun is powered and functional, everybody’s going to go from “the battleship is dead” to “we need one too!”

      1. By Alexey Shiro on

        Railgun. Coilgun (also known as Gauss gun) is absolutely different system based on different physical principles.

      2. By William Curry on

        The Navy is already backpedaling from the railgun and the Army has jumped on the bandwagon. This has been going on for 30 years. Nobody has a deployable weapon system to my knowledge.

          1. By William Curry on

            I don’t know that I believe everything that comes out of China or that is reported about China. The US Military has a tendency to inflate rumors and stories about the capability of potential opponents, especially at budget times. Every congressman was a nice juicy DOD project for his district. Right now China is the #1 monster under the bed to wave at budget committees.

          2. By Lou Schirmer on

            Everyone seems to be close to one, but they never seem to get past the testing stage. For that matter you can build one yourself, given the time & know how. A military grade gun takes a hell of a lot of instantaneous energy to power one for starters. It looks like barrel liner changes would be frequent (& costly). Tracking & targeting a moving object at the long ranges touted by the proponents is a bitch (think Strategic Defense Initiative) & I think may be the sticking point for those developing one. Putting something like that into say a Zumwalt class will probably cost as much as the DD itself & any little twitch & it’s off-line. Militaries like robust, reliable systems as well as the shiny & new.

          3. By William Curry on

            I think there is a parallel with the pneumatic dynamite gun of the late 19th century. Given the aerodynamic drag on a Mach 7 projectile in the lower atmosphere and the lack of an explosive payload; the rail (coil, Gauss, take your pick)gun doesn’t make sense as a general purpose bombardment weapon. What it does make sense as is an anti-ballistic missile or anti-aircraft weapon. Not only is the weapon itself large, but the supporting equipment, id est generators, cap banks etc. are large and fragile. A cluster bomb or proximity fused artillery will put the land based system out of service quickly. It’s a better fit on a ship, but you pretty much have to build the ship around it and the power plant for the gun is as big as the one to drive the ship. It has its uses but they are limited ones.

          4. By Steve Moore on

            Recoil and drag wouldn’t be a problem in outer space. Like the Moon; bury the reactor power supply or have a few square miles of solar cells.

          5. By Paul Nunes on

            The laser has been deployed for AAA, anti missile, and anti drone.

            See U.S.S. Ponce de Leon

            Lasers will make aircraft obsolete and we go to battleships again.

          6. By donald johnson on

            // It looks like barrel liner changes would be frequent (& costly).//
            A properly designed rail gun needs and has no liners. the projectile is repelled by the barrel inherently. any liner would need to me nonmetallic and non-conductive lest it interfere with the projecting fields. any gun that allows the projectile to contact the barrel has design flaws

          7. By Lou Schirmer on

            I should have said rail replacement. Yes they have no barrel liner, but the projectile or sabot for the projectile is in contact with the rails providing a path for the electricity to accelerate the round. A good part of the massive “muzzle blast” is micro debris from that contact being heated to plasma by the massive current discharge. Consider what an arc welder does to it’s electrode & then jack that up to the power levels used in current proto type weapons. Check out “Heat Dissipation” in the link.

          8. By donald j johnson on

            The one that i built had a muzzle velocity of 500 fps and was completly non contact other than the switch closure and i modified that to an scr as soon as i could get one big enough. I used a copper ring projectile around an iron rod. This was about 40 years ago

          9. By Lou Schirmer on

            I’m still thinking the electrical arc between the rails & your projectile would be eating micro layers off the rails at every shot. Not really noticeable at low power. Jack the power levels up significantly & things start to get interesting. With a non-contact projectile, I’d think the rail on the cathode side would be transferring material to the projectile on every shot & on the anode side the projectile would be plating the rail on that side.

          10. By donald j johnson on

            On the 1I built there was no contact between the projectile and the barrel rod basically you Magnetize the rod with a large magnetic pulse and the ring is sucks down the rod being magnetized as it goes and repellin it from the rod so it is not contacted. It wasn’t made the same way as the present ones are being done. It was a modification of the magnetic levitation trick but about 500 volts and .25 fared cap being dumped into the coil to energise 1 pulse. It worhed and i was happy with results. Yes not as sophisticated as the modern ones but it worked.

  23. By Joe Thorsky on

    David B-Lou

    My first intro to Gallery came via a bargain bin money raising event
    that was being held for the local public library. A yellowing well worn
    and read paperback edition and copy of Cap’n Fatso greatly helped in
    the further development and refinement of my own unusual and verry
    peculiar and Different Drummer type Sense of Humor.
    (A Definitely Non-Traditional One “Dat’s Fer Sure!).

    Talk about some really Bad Timing for someone.
    The Carrier Enterprise was also weather delayed and a day late in it’s
    own arrival and return back into Pearl Harbor.
    So, what if Enterprise was also caught berthed and anchored at
    Pearl Harbor as was originally scheduled and intended on the morning of
    December 7, 1941.
    Or the IJN Submarine picket line blocking MIDWAY Passages & Approaches in
    June of 1942 was established.
    How might, or would have history changed for the better or the worse?
    FYI – Check out Taylor’s archives for various other related Postings on this topic/scenario.

    “Because sometimes there aren’t any good choices.”
    “Sometimes you have to choose between something
    (Really!?) bad, and something worse.”-
    A citation from The Seventh Angel, Jeff Edwards
    Stealth Books

    The collected writings of the author Wes Oleszewski should also help entertain,
    motivate and captivate you in this awkward period of time that’s in prelude to ROB.

    1. By Lou Schirmer on

      Right with you on the Big E. The Divine Wind worked against the IJN that time.

  24. By Lou Schirmer on

    With their naval losses to date & presumed facilities in the Caribbean & possibly Atlantic, the Doms may be brewing a “surprise” for the allies, if/when they attempt the Pass of Fire. If I was them, I’d be pulling in my remaining steam liners & frigates & cutting them down a deck or three, & armoring them. The LOT may have even passed the idea on from Kurokawa & the Grik. It would be a nasty shock for the largely unarmored eastern fleet.

    1. By Steve Moore on

      I’d worry about the LOT giving them an old ship or two; perhaps that’s what the Spanish destroyer was to be destined to go. One iron ship in the Pass, or worse still, a midnight raid on the carriers. Add a couple of crated CR 42’s or similar planes, and the Fleet would be toast. It’s all about controlling the choke points.

    2. By Justin on

      Enemy surface vessels could be solved by having Savoie/Gray spearhead the charge – should be able to make scrap out of anything short of another battleship or cruiser.

      As for CR.42s or other biplanes, I don’t see 400-ish lbs of bombs per plane hurting the Allied fleet very much, even at night with all the lights on. Now if the League brass has been convinced to hand over a couple of SM.79s and pilots, they might be in trouble.

      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        True, but the Savoie is damaged & currently unavailable, the Grey isn’t in commission yet & the other steel DDs are dedicated to the Zambesi campaign.

        Don’t sell a 220 lb. bomb sort. It’s only slightly smaller than an 8″ HE shell & bigger than a 6″ AP shell. Dropped from a thousand feet or more, it will hose any of the steam frigates & DDs & damage or cripple the carriers, which are basically large, slow, wooden, gasoline & bomb dumps. Granted, a bigger bomb equals a bigger boom, but a small bomb will do just fine against what the eastern fleet has. Even a steel DD or the Grey would be vulnerable, the Savoie, not so much.

      2. By Alexey Shiro on

        //Enemy surface vessels could be solved by having Savoie/Gray spearhead the charge – should be able to make scrap out of anything short of another battleship or cruiser.//

        Gray is a bit too light for that – her role would probably better be to lead the destroyers – but yes, “Savoie” could took out anything short of another battleship. Despite being old, she is superdreadnought – capable of dealing & surviving heavy damage.

        // I don’t see 400-ish lbs of bombs per plane hurting the Allied fleet very much, even at night with all the lights on. //

        It would be enough to kill any destroyer, over-kill any Alliance wooden frigate, and several hits would destroy the Alliance carrier easily. Let’s not forget; the Alliance carriers are WOODEN-HULLED, they have no armor, and wood is notoriously vunerable to shockwaves. Recall what happened with Kurokawa’s carriers when Union P-40 counterattacked; the League strike against Union carriers would have the same effect.

        1. By donald j johnson on

          against sailing vessels those tarts mentioned a few weeks ago would be real good with a few mods.
          1 add a contact primer for a flexible payload. I drop and 10 to 50 inflamble darts are suddenly starting fires all over the ship
          2. modified head and sails get ripped up and or set on fire.

          1. By Lou Schirmer on

            Tarts are always good with a few mods & drinks! Sorry, couldn’t resist.

            Actually, not a bad idea, except I’d go with maybe a 5 lb. bomblet dart with a small bursting charge to scatter the incendiary. They could be carried on internal rails & lever drop a rail (or 2) of bomblets on each pass. 8 rails of 20 bomblets would be a decent payload.

          2. By Steve Moore on

            Tarts always look better at closing time, as the song goes (Mickey Gilley?). They could invent the Rockeye with mortar bombs instead of one big honker. Or figure a way to make Willie Peter

    3. By Joe Thorsky on


      They might also try to mimic and imitate
      British tactics used against the Ruhr Dams.
      Another Volcanic ashes to ashes monumental display
      and tempest in a Britsh teapot (Dome?)!
      aka & Reference-The Dambusters

      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        Does anyone have any dams to bust? Or are you thinking “skip” or “masthead” bombing?

        1. By Steve Moore on

          Didn’t the Airsols use 5 second delays for skip bombing from B-25s? Think the Black Cats also used some kind of delay fusing for night airfield raids.

          1. By Lou Schirmer on

            Yes, or they’d go off under the plane when they hit the water.

          2. By William Curry on

            Actually it was found that torpedoes worked well against dams. The US used AD (A-1) Skyraiders to take out North Korean dams during the Korean War.

          3. By Justin on

            But does the League even have dams? Their industrial base (or lack thereof) is likely concentrated in North Africa, and that region’s not exactly known for its vast hydro reserves.

          4. By Charles Simpson on

            during the inter glacial periods areas close to the Med. were wetter so Dams possible. Again this is something we do not know.

          5. By donald j johnson on

            The Nile river is one h*** of a water reserve look at the nasher dam presently in Egypt . If that thing ever breaks the whole country’s gone

        2. By Generalstarwars333 on

          Also the Nile River probably exists in some form so there could be a league version of that big dam the Egyptians built under Nasser.

          1. By Justin on

            Except that both the Aswan High Dam AND Low Dam are halfway to Sudan. I doubt the League’d be willing to go through all that effort (and possible Grik attacks) just for electricity/irrigation/river calming.

          2. By Alexey Shiro on

            Guys, please! You overestimated the League capabilities GREATLY! They were around since just 1939-1940 – i.e. 5-6 years at most! And unless they came with the industrial & population power of an industrialized nation – and in that case they would already took over the whole world! – there is no way they could have resources for such large-scale building projects.

            Aswan Dam complex was build by the nation with a population of 25 millions with a lot of technical & industrial help from the USSR – the second most-capable industrial power in the world at this time. The League clearly have neither the dozens of millions of population, nor any help from industrial powers (due to the lack of such in Destroyermen’s world).

            They clearly have established SOME infrastructure by now – at least basic fuel & materials producing and manufacturing – but they simply have neither time nor industrial capabilities to attempt any large-scale projects. As well as they have no particular need to build a Suez channel or dam the Nile. For what reason they may need something like that?

          3. By Steve Moore on

            Thank you Alexey. But on the other hand the annual flooding probably makes it terrific farmland. Wonder who’s down in the lower 40…

          4. By Alexey Shiro on

            Considering that there is still Ice Age in Destroyermen’s world – the whole North Africa is a millions of square miles of excellent farmlands. There are no Sakhara desert; instead there are wide steppe and forests, a lot of small rivers & lakes.

          5. By Steve Moore on

            Considering that, Alexey, it’d be interesting to find out if there are any civilizations in West Africa. With bountiful farmlands, oil and mineral reserves (remember the LOT is probably full of knowledge of African resources, given their European colonial heritage, from Spanish Morroco to Namibia), that would be a prime expansion area for the LOT. Any Lemurians that had managed to bypass “The Dark” would have been discovered by the RRP. So, my guess is that whoever’s been there has been a longer evolution. Remember the LOT’s meeting Kurokowa’s Griks? Not a lot of surprise, so they’ve encourntered them somewhere else… perhaps in West Africa? Grik maps had those enigmatic ‘here be Griks’ marks on the West Coast of Africa.

          6. By donald j johnson on

            I would find it hard to believe that there could be any kind of civilization anywhere in or near equatorial Africa that had not been found and destroyed by the Grik. the only reason the south Africans exist is because the weather there is too cold for the Grik. They would be in Egypt but for the Sahara and Nile flooding.

          7. By Justin on

            Donald, Steve’s talking about west Africa; either because they’ve been focused on the Lemurians or halted by something in the interior, the Grik Empire’s own map stops at Ethiopia and Tanzania.

            That said, any civilization in that area has probably been swallowed by the League.

          8. By Steve Moore on

            That being said, guys, lets also remember that the ‘grik-like’ is one of the dominant evolutionary forms; the Lemurians are the other one discovered to date. Don’s right, the Griks are opportunistic destroyers of any other life forms they find, but what’s in central Africa, the radik-something, seems to eat Griks. What’s on the west African coast could be one, or the other.. or something entirely new. Humans only transfer to DW; none seem to have evolved, probably because intially they all came from southern Africa and have probably fallen victim to Griks’ ‘All You Can Eat’ buffet. We’ll just have to wait for what comes next. Will the Griks retreat into the continent? Will General Pete and Reddy have Halik flown down to Soffesshk to incite a revolt?

  25. By Joe Thorsky on

    June is a month widely known for all-nighter cram sessions, white papers, final exams and all the fast food, cold pizza, and black coffee that goes with the upset stomachs and all of the High Anxiety psychoticly acquired over Graduation, GPA’s and one’s final attainment of first time unemployment status in a Capitalist Meritocracy.

    You Destroyermen Graduates:
    With the likely publication of Mr. Anderson’s ROB now less than one month away; I can think of no better way to spend the time remaining than to adequately prepare and reacquaint oneself for the likely coming and evolving WW I&II Submarine and ASW warfare tactics and strategies that will be developed, conducted and eventually em/de ployed.

    The most authoritive reference material and first-hand accounts that I know of that tries to address both sides of this complex topic are to be found in the writings of Daniel V. Gallery.
    Especially informative, entertaining and instructive are his notable books:
    Twenty Million Tons Under the Sea
    A veritable primer on WW-2 Submarine and ASW operations and tactics
    The Pueblo Incident
    The Brink
    Away Boarders
    Stand BY-Y-Y to Start Engines
    Now Hear This
    Eight Bell’s and All’s Well
    Clear the Decks
    Cap’n Fatso
    Worthwhile and Worthy reads all

    FYI Taylor//
    Isn’t Dennis Silva’s unusual Darwinian sense of humor similarly DNA/RNA based or related?
    And will the next insertion into The Destroyermen Saga likely see a flotilla of lost/missing Lodner D. Phillips US Civil War Marine Cigar submarines entering the Mediterranean Fray?

    1. By David B on

      another good read that I just finished is All the Gallant Men by Donald Stratton, one of the men assigned to Arizona’s port-side AA director.

      I learned some interesting things about Arizona from the book, including the fact that she wasn’t even supposed to be at Pearl on the 7th. She should have been at Naval Station Bremerton, but she collided with Oklahoma on maneuvers so she needed repairs that necessitated her staying at Pearl.

      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        The USS Enterprise was due the day before, but was delayed by storms. She would have been a prime target & with little armor, full of fuel, torpedoes & bombs probably wouldn’t even be worth salvaging, much less wind up the most decorated ship of the war for the USN. A Divine Wind indeed.

    2. By Steve Moore on

      College-wise, May is usually the month for that and June a month of frivolity before it sinks in that one must get a job and move out.


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