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Posted March 17, 2016 by Taylor Anderson in category "Uncategorized

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  1. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor-Guys

    Because Taylor’s storyline has nicely juxtapositioned itself to a most interesting and pivotal historical time period-that being World War I; here’s a scenario for all of you armchair admirals and generals to game out consider and speculate on given:

    1 The United States did not enter the war and was able to effectively maintain
    its Neutrality status and arms broker-dealer relationships throughout.
    2 There was no Armistice Agreement or Treaty of Versailles or League of Nations.
    3 The was no Washington Naval Conference or Treaty.
    4 The role and application of Airpower remains quite the novelty having only an unproven potential (Since Billy Mitchell could not have sunk the Ostfriesland, Frankfort, G-102 and Battleships Alabama, Virginia, New Jersey in 1920-23).
    Also Not Applicable would be his observation and quote:
    “The day has passed when armies on the ground or navies on the sea can be the arbiter of a nation’s destiny in war. The main power of defense and the power of initiative against an enemy has passed to the air. – Billy Mitchell November 1918

    Questions and More Questions
    What would the World’s geography look like?
    What World National Powers/Spheres of Influence-Affluence would there likely be?
    What would their foreign-domestic policy relationships look like?
    What would be the likely nature and composition of the World’s Armed
    Forces and would their Navies-fleets still be dominated and controlled by
    their “Battleship Admirals”?

    Lastly, what consequences would there be If any Army-Navy units were ever to be inserted into Taylor’s Destroyermens Universe from such a qui(a)rky time line; and how might his storyline change-evolve?

    Concerning abandoned pre-postwar commitments and
    broken unmet promises frittered/squandered away.

    More citations sourced from:
    The Eagle and the Rising Sun
    by Alan Schom
    WW Norton & Company

    “When summing up the previous six months [The first six months prosecution of
    the war after Pearl Harbor] “Chester Nimitz stressed one factor over and over again:”
    “Training, Training and more Training.”…..

    “I have so many battles to fight, I am never quite sure whether I am fighting
    you [the British], or the President or the [U.S.] Navy!’
    General George Marshall to Field Marshall Sir John Dill

    “This Country has not-repeat has not- the slightest conception of
    what the war means…..”
    Field Marshall Sir John Hill to General Sir Alan Brooke, December 28, 1941

    “Once the Joint Chiefs in Washington had laid out their military requirements
    that Christmas, the British were staggered both by how few planes, ships, and
    tanks the Americans actually had on hand and by the timorous tenor of American
    public opinion vis-a-vis the war. “As Dill confided to Field Marshal Brooke on
    December 28 (1941) “THIS COUNTRY IS THE MOST HIGHLY ORGANIZED FOR PEACE
    YOU CAN IMAGINE.”….Never have I seen a country so utterly unprepared for war
    and so soft”. [T]his country has no -repeat not- the slightest conception of what
    the war means, and their armed forces are more unready for a war than it is possible to imagine.”…..

    “Part of the blame for the lack of preparation to defend the nation must be
    laid firmly on the U.S. Congress between wars, which failed to bring the
    U.S. Military up to a reasonable degree of readiness and strength by
    withholding the funds required.”

    “The various naval battles around Guadalcanal had resulted in shocking losses to the U.S. Navy that left Admiral Nimitz greatly astonished and dismayed, as one task force after another suffered heavy losses in men and ships. The names of Scott, Callaghan, Wright, and Griffen, among others, are not easily forgotten, primarily for their slow reactions and tactical blunders. But, CONGRESS had refused to provide the Navy with adequate funding over the preceding decades, and the navy now paid the price in the lack of men, ships, and aircraft required to meet the inevitable war. With some notable exceptions, American naval officers were not properly trained for “the real thing,” and their lack of decisiveness in battle too frequently meant death and destruction for thousands”…..

    Given, the hard learned but easily forgotten lessons and legacies lost. We have subsequentially pooh-poohed and generally trivialized just how realistically close The War in the Pacific could have easily have turned to one of total cataclysmic disaster and defeat… That the War in the Pacific could possibly be lost was more than just a hypothetical academic exercise or contingency.

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    1. By Lou Schirmer on

      Joe
      //4 The role and application of Airpower remains quite the novelty having only an unproven potential (Since Billy Mitchell could not have sunk the Ostfriesland, Frankfort, G-102 and Battleships Alabama, Virginia, New Jersey in 1920-23).
      Also Not Applicable would be his observation and quote://

      He’d still have the old BBs Alabama, Virginia & New Jersey to play with. They didn’t get as much attention as the Ostfriesland, but still helped with the development of air power. His quote might also still be applicable, depending on how/when the US brokered the peace in Europe.
      One way or another, air power was coming. Planes were getting faster & more capable all the time. By the time WW2 arrived, they may not be as developed militarily, but navies were designing carriers at the end of WW1 so there is no reason to assume they wouldn’t continue to develop them & their aircraft. It probably would not have the incentive to convert BCs to carriers the Washington Treaty gave us, but future development was inevitable.

      With no Washington Treaty, nations would be free to build what they want or had already planned, but with the war over would have to balance those programs against fiscal realities. Large fleets cost serious money.

      After the war, England & Germany, even with a brokered peace would be essentially bankrupt. Germany perhaps wouldn’t be in as bad a shape without the punitive aspects of the Treaty of Versailles, but both would have to look at cutting costs & the large fleets are obvious targets. They’d both sell or scrap all their pre-dreadnaughts & many of the early dreadnaughts with lesser caliber guns or other deficiencies in design. Germany & England may come up with a separate treaty to balance their fleets.
      With a brokered peace, Germany may still have the Kaiser & Adolf Hitler would be just another painter, or executed later for treason. She may not have lost all her colonies & would still want a decent navy to defend those colonies. They would have to start changing the design of their ships to include a long range & duration capability to project power beyond the North Sea.
      Japan would have to be careful how they expand their empire as their would be no axis powers to support them. With colonies in the far east, Germany would be at war with them as would everyone else. There might not even be a WW2 as such for that reason. They would still need natural resources, especially oil, so would still try to take territory, but be careful not to attack US interests. Picking off European colonies would be the way to go as they are hard to defend from half a world away. I’d take the French & Dutch colonies first, then the German ones & save the British for last. They have the experience of fighting a large empire with a distant navy before (Russia), so with a series of small wars against distant enemies they could take considerable territory in the far east. If they don’t get the US involved, they could get away with it. Then after consolidating their new empire, they could think about tackling the US. Think WW2 starting in the 1950-1955 time frame.

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      1. By Steve Moore on

        I’d think the Japanese would have to hurry to beat the US stepping in to offer ‘protectorates’ to the French and Dutch, and the Japanese might find it easier to take over Siberia given the Russian Revolution. The Japanese were heavily involved and there’s no reason why they just wouldn’t keep on going, since both the Americans and English would want to see the Whites in power, at least in European Russia.

        I’m assuming there was no Zimmerman telegram or similar issue, but there might be similar issues that lead the US to another foreign adventure south of the border, and that would dramatically change North American history. Just my two cents worth.

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    2. By Justin on

      Let’s not pretend that Mitchell was some kind of prophet.
      A) He belonged to the “bombers will always get through” school, resulting from his experiences in the Great War.
      B) Because of that, he insisted that bigger and better bombers could replace capital ships, failing to visualize the advances in fighters/interceptors and AA cover.
      C) To prove this, he sunk a bunch of obsolete pre-dreads (which would’ve stayed afloat if manned), and the Admirals rightly said “So what?”
      If it were up to him, the US would’ve started at Pearl with B-17s and biplanes. Hugh Trenchard, Clement Ader and Guilio Dohet were all bigger influences in airpower theory, which will continue with or without Mitchell.

      —–

      A “No WNT”-verse is probably going to focus on battleships, with carriers as a close second.

      Problem is that Britain, Germany and Japan are all broke; only the States can afford a BB race. After the Tosas and G3s and L20αs are built, they might scrap their outdated superdreads and try for carriers or hybrid carriers as a cheaper/more practical option to the eventual 60kT Yamatos and Montanas.

      I’d expect the Germans to form ties with the Kuomintang and eventually the US, while Britain/France backs Japan. WWII starts as usual, but with different alliances – it could go either way, depending on how the Soviets throw in.

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      //That the War in the Pacific could possibly be lost was more than just a hypothetical academic exercise or contingency.//

      Nope – the Japanese lost as soon as they started. To quote Yamamoto himself, “In the first six to twelve months… I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success.”

      The entire Japanese strategy, having less manpower and resources, was to knock out the USN and bring America to the negotiating table. After Pearl, America has no intention of doing that. Sooner or later, the Japanese are toast.

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        You’re right, Mitchell was an insubordinate big mouth, but he was the US’s big mouth. The others you mention were just as influential in their spheres of influence. I was just saying even without the Ostfriesland, experiments would be going on & air power would be developing. Without a WNT limiting BBs & BCs, forcing navies to convert BCs to carriers, the naval aviation development would slow, but still progress. The carriers may be limited to recon roles to start with, but as planes get more capable, they would be used for more than that.

        You’re also right in your assessment of the Pacific war as it stood. But with no axis power to back them, they may have been more cautious, & tried for low hanging fruit (Dutch, French & German colonies) & consolidating gains before getting into a war with the US.

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        1. By Justin on

          Sounds right – top brass is usually conservative, not stupid. So a couple of purpose built carriers (few of the OTL rushjob conversions) as a testbed, followed by bigger and better ones as the various powers catch on.

          Bear in mind that Imperial Japan is ultranationalist, but not completely nuts just yet. They’ll want and need a few allies.

          I figure that with no Versailles/Paris, no League of Nations and no WNT, Japan has no reason to mistrust Britain, and the Anglo-Japanese pact might still hold… especially to counter the existing Sino-German cooperation. And wherever the Imperial Germans are involved, you can bet the French will take the opposite side.

          So we’ve (hypothetically) got Britain-France-Japan versus Germany-China, with the Soviets, Americans and Italians as wildcards. Any bets?

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      2. By Alexey Shiro on

        To the question of Mitchell – the Navy relatively easy undermined his claims by using the CB-4 “Iowa” radio-controlled target ship. They tested aerial bombing of her in 1921, and basically busted all Mitchell sucsesses: it was VERY hard to hit the moving battleship from level flight (and dive bombers weren’t invented yet).

        They even invited Mitchell’s bombers to participate, but Mitchell (fearing the press fallout upon him) declined the offer under the pretext that Navy did not allowed the live munition to be used in tests.

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    3. By matthieu on

      1 The United States did not enter the war and was able to effectively maintainits Neutrality status and arms broker-dealer relationships

      This is strange but let’s accept it.

      2 There was no Armistice Agreement or Treaty of Versailles or League of Nations.

      This one is impossible unless you assume that the was is going on. Basically the pivotal moment is during the spring offensive in 1918: Germans use all their best trained troops on a shock assault on allies lines. Once they get stopped, the war is over. All their allies are dying and but December Germany is going to break apart.

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      1. By Clifton Sutherland on

        Didn’t their offensive come very close to breaking through Allied lines? I was under the assumption that it was the timely arrival of American forces in bulk that specifically halted the depleted german forces in time- they might’ve been able to stagger through the British and the French, bled white and barely functional, but able to then force a peace treaty from a favorable condition.

        As for the carrier and aviation concept, I agree that nations would have continued building BBs and carriers, but I bet carriers would definitely be confined to the role they were initially created for- providing recon and aeral cover for the big guns, not acting in any major capacity at all.

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      2. By Lou Schirmer on

        Matthieu, Joe’s point #1 (neutrality & brokered deals/peace) should lead to something similar to point #2 (a treaty or peace, but not the defeat & punitive Treaty Of Versailles).
        Without the US intervention, the war may have continued as a stalemate, or instead of sending the, ultimately unnecessary, reinforcements to face the Russians, they reinforced their spring offensive, forcing the allies to a US brokered peace. Most of the nations involved at the time were exhausted & on the verge of bankruptcy anyway.
        If a peace treaty less one sided than Versailles could be arranged, that would leave the field wide open for anything that follows. The Kaiser could be forced to arrange a more representative government, to prevent more aggressive action in the future, no WNT etc..

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        1. By donald johnson on

          If the Americans had not entered WWI the Germans would not have been rushed to mount an offensive that failed. also the flue that the Americans brought over would not have incapacitated their troops. they unfortunately captured a newly arrived batch of Americans that were infected but not yet showing signs so they were placed in the general population of prisoners and we all know what happened after that.

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  2. By Joe Thorsky on

    What Spring?

    Lake Ontario

    Now all good wood scow sailor mans,
    Take warning by dat storm,
    An’ go marry one nice French girl,
    And live on one beeg farm.

    Den de win’ can blow lak hurricane,
    An’ s’pose she blow some more;
    You can’t get drowned on Lak Ontair’
    So long you stay on shore.
    French-Canadian Shantey-1885

    Excerpted passages from
    Great Lakes Shipwrecks & Survivals
    by William Ratigan
    Wm. B. EErdmans Publishing Company
    Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1977

    Yim Yonson ship from lumberyard upon de scow Sam Patch;
    He didn’t know his starboard bow from oft de forward hatch.
    He make big bluff before he sail that he ben sailor man,
    But when de trouble struck de scow, Yim had to show his han’.

    De scow ben in de cordwood trade. She sail from Sister Bay,
    An’ Yim he would be handyman ’till off Twin Points one day
    When yust like finger snap a squall on de wood scow flew
    An’ made her stan’ on her beam’s end an’ call up all de crew.

    De captain swore like crazy man, an’ at Yim Yonson yell:
    “Yump up an’ rif dat tops’l queek, or it ben gone to hell!”
    But Yim, he say, “I will not stir from dis cahutan stanchion;
    Der ben ten thousand tops’ls, yes, but only one Yim Yonson!”

    An’ dat’s how Yim, he lose his yob, an’ no more go to sea—
    At sailin’ he ben greenhorn, sure, an’ always want to be.
    Ven he was kicked from off de ship, he heard de captain swore;
    But said, “I’d rather lan’ dis vay, dan float along de shore.”
    Good Time for a Hot Toddy!

    Songquest by Ivan H. Walton
    Wayne State University Press, 2005

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  3. By Clifton Sutherland on

    Hi, I don’t know if shameless self-promotion is warranted, but I posted some writing on the DFA fan fiction facebook page. If you want, head over there and give it a read!

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  4. By donald johnson on

    Now that he has the new covers out he needs to change these

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    1. By Duke Saxon on

      I can imagine it now- Silva fixes up the Grik Zeppelin, fills up the bomb bay with beer, and goes on a joy ride.

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      1. By donald johnson on

        If I remember correctly he already took one ZEP for a joy ride but forget the beer that time. I was actually thinking he should send some to the troops in a seaplane, orders from the boss to not spill too much polta juice on the way.

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        1. By Duke Saxon on

          Yeah, that’s why I suggested it. He already kinda knows how to fly a zepp.

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  5. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor-Everyone

    Two weeks from today, we will again honor, commemorate and celebrate
    Saint Patrick’s Day and the Irish People who have contributed and given so
    much to enliven and enrich our peculiarly unique American experience culture
    and civilization. In tandem with this most solemn and ancient of Irish-American
    rituals and customs, we should also give suitable recognition and all the necessary and proper offerings to whatever Rosin-Laced Screwball Baseball playing Patron Saintly-Devil his due as Opening Day Festivities for the 2017 Major League
    Baseball Season are fast approaching. Two Fer Chicago!!!

    Musical selections from the Black Irish Band
    Bartholomew Roberts
    Dark Ocean
    Last Flight of 123
    Fate of the Patrick O’Brien
    Wreck of the Pomona
    Wreck of the Brother Jonathan
    Whalers Cove
    Off to Sea Once More

    Promised Land Chuck Berry

    The Road to Hell

    A friend visited President Lincoln and found him to be in a foul mood. “I’m afraid I have made Senator Wade of Ohio, my enemy for life,” Lincoln said. “Wade was here just now trying to convince me that I should dismiss Grant, and, in response to something he said, I remarked that that reminded me of a story.”
    “What did Wade say?” the friend asked.
    “He wasn’t happy,” Lincoln answered. ‘Everything with you is story, story, story!’ Senator Wade said. He said I was the father of every military blunder that we’ve made, and that I am on the road to hell and I am not a mile off this minute.”
    “What did you say to that?” the friend asked.
    “I just said to him,” the President chuckled, “Senator, that is just about the distance from here to the Capitol, is it not?”

    A vignette on Union General William Sherman’s hatred for newspapermen by the speaker: when hearing about a ship with reporters aboard sinking in the Mississippi River by Vicksburg during the night, the general exclaimed,
    “We’ll get a dispatch from hell before morning!”

    “Captain, we are entirely out of ammunition,” said the orderly sergeant of a company to his Irish captain in one of the regiments of the Union Army at the battle of the Wilderness.
    “Antirely out?” said the captain.
    “Yes, entirely out.”
    “Then sase firing,” said the captain.

    Spotsylvania, May 12, 1864 Mule Shoe Salient,
    “Bloody Angle” from Patrick O’Flaherty, History of the Sixty-ninth
    “One slightly wounded man complained that he had to walk to the rear. A more seriously wounded comrade replied, “Ah Duffy, hold your tongue. There’s a
    lad over there with his head shot off and he’s not making a complaint at all.”

    On the day of President Lincoln’s funeral a bronzed and weather beaten soldier anxious to obtain a better view of the procession, happened to step before a party of ladies and gentlemen. One of the gentlemen nudged him on the elbow, at the same observing, “Excuse me, sir, you are right in front of us.” Bowing handsomely in return, the soldier replied, “That is nothing remarkable for I have been in front of you for four years.”

    Doubleday and Night Baseball
    The Civil War All Stars

    Note: Excerpted from the August 1965 issue of Civil War Times
    Authored by Jay Luvaas.

    Union All Stars

    Manager – U.S. Grant. Has good success with the two-platoon system; has developed well-balanced team. Possibly a bit lax in enforcing training rules.
    First Base-“Cump” Sherman. Watch this boy burn up the base paths. Reminds old timers of the “Georgia Peach” Good at digging them out of the dirt; consistent hitter. Not popular with all fans.
    Second Base – George Meade. Good pivot man. Team captain. Always dangerous at the plate. Would attract more attention with a favorable press.
    Third Base -“Fighting Joe” Hooker. Whiffs a lot since he was beaned at Chancellorsville. Plenty of natural ability; sometimes clutches under pressure. Good power, but a sucker for an outside curve.
    Shortstop – “Phil” Sheridan. Larcenous base runner. Able to go from either side. Real sparkplug of team’s offense. Dangerous in the clutch.
    Right Field – “Speedy” Burnside. a real “wall climber,” which led to injuries last season at Fredericksburg. Has developed a rifle arm. Led the league in strike-outs last season.
    Center Field – Jim Wilson. One of the least publicized players in the league. A strong arm and plenty of speed. A good pull hitter. Candidate for rookie of the year.
    Left Field – George McClellan. Plenty of natural ability, but slow on the base paths. Probably brought up from the minors too soon.
    Catcher-“Rocky” Thomas. Real key to team defense. Good arm; plenty of power. Base runners don’t take chances with this one.
    Pitcher -“Win” Hancock. Fireballer; tough with runners on base. The best of a weak staff.
    Pitcher – Bill Rosecrans. Has good stuff, but experiences difficulty staying ahead of the batter.
    Pitcher – “Chief” Custer. Rookie of the year his first full season in the majors. Hasn’t been the same since the last series with the Indians!
    Middle Relief-“Come to Papa” John Buford. Good with the changeup, continually has batters chasing the Seminary Sinker Ball, a favorite of his.
    Closer- Joshua Chamberlain. Calls his overpowering fast ball the swinging gate. Been known to use the inside portion of the plate with great advantage, some cases beaning opposing hitters.

    Confederate All Stars

    Manager – Robert E. Lee. Aggressive; not afraid to take risks. Lee gets along well with both the players and the front office, but who was it that said “Nice guys don’t finish first?”
    First Base – “Frenchie” Beauregard. Slick fielder. Has tendency to swing at bad pitches. Has never quite lived up to preseason notices.
    Second Base – “Joe Johnston. Good field, no hit. Can make the double play. Has been peddled to several clubs because of his uncertain temperament.
    Third Base – “Texas John” Hood. Good at the hot corner; hangs tough at the plate. Provides plenty of batting muscle when not on disabled list.
    Shortstop – “Jeb” Stuart. Can play any position, best at short. Good range, often hits for the circuit. A real crowd pleaser.
    Right Field – “Ranger” Mosby. Hits well to all fields; excels at hit and run. Really shines when playing in his own field.
    Center Field – “Wizard” Forrest. A tough competitor. Covers lots of ground in center. Can hit the long ball. An umpire baiter.
    Left Field – “Bill” Hardee. A real student of the game. Dangerous at the plate. One of the most underrated players in either league.
    Catcher – “Pete” Longstreet. A steady influence. Plenty of power at the plate a tough competitor and a good pull hitter. Seems to have trouble hitting in Yankee Stadium.
    Pitcher – “Stonewall” Jackson. Best righthander in the league. Blazing fast ball. Uses dust-off pitches. Can usually go the route. Chances for a successful year may well rest on Jackson’s arm.
    Pitcher – “Brax” Bragg. Control pitcher; good for a couple of innings. Would probably work better on a different club.
    Pitcher – A. S. “Mormon” Johnston. Master of the curve ball, but sometimes has trouble with control.
    Middle Relief – A.P.”Red” Hill. Good set-up man when his temper doesn’t get in his way. Refuses to pitch when Longstreet is catching. Sometimes feuds with other pitchers.
    Closer – “Baldy Ewell” Capable fast baller. Has trouble reading signals, sometimes has problems with power hitters.
    Broadcasting Play by Play and Analysis
    From the White Stockings
    Harry Carey And Jimmy Piersall

    From the Baby Bears
    Lou Boudreau and Steve Stone

    Guest Commentary
    Yogi Berra

    This Bud’s for you!

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    1. By Clifton Sutherland on

      Hey, thats pretty good joe- some pretty sly historical allusions there. Although I’m not sure why they even bother playing Burnside. After all, his career really cratered :)!

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      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        Generalstarwars333

        You do have my deepest and sincerest sympathy and condolences.
        Have a Shamrock Shake to ease the pain.

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      2. By Joe Thorsky on

        Clifton

        Burnside may have not been the greatest Union General
        since Jubilation T. Cornpone, but he is noted for two
        accomplishments during his long storied career:
        1. The Burnside Carbine
        2. Burnside sideburns and beard

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    2. By Generalstarwars333 on

      Ah yes, saint patrick’s day. The holiday when people pay to have the bagpipe band I’m in play “Scotland the brave” on scottish bagpipes while wearing scottish clothes to celebrate an irish holiday.

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  6. By Justin on

    It might be a good idea to check Newfoundland in future books – just in case any Atlantic Fleet transfers tried to head home, found a giant glacier where Britain should be, then tried to make for the Dominion.

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  7. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

    Today, March 1, is the seventy fifth anniversary of the fictional “crossover” event in my Destroyermen series, but more importantly, let us not forget that it is also the 75th anniversary of the loss of many very real ships and their fine crews including USS Houston, HMAS Perth, HMS Exeter, HMS Encounter, USS Pope, USS Pillsbury, USS Edsall, USS Asheville, and USS Pecos. I’m sure I have neglected to name others that escape me at the moment, but I just couldn’t let this day pass without mention of an all too often forgotten sacrifice.

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    1. By donald johnson on

      Well if you consider the International Date Line and this 8 hours or 9 hours time difference it was actually Yesterday by the time I come around here because when I wake up here I’m a day behind my friend in Japan whenever I talk to her she is going to bed Sunday evening and son of a gun it’s only Saturday afternoon here

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    2. By Alexey Shiro on

      Not the first, not the last, but they all played their parts in the global scheme of World War II events. May the souls of lens and ships who died seventy-five years ago rest in peace with honour.

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    3. By Steve White on

      Thank you and we salute every single Allied person who fought in that war. God bless them all.

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  8. By Logan Meyers on

    Hey I was wondering if anyone here has read ‘My Remembrances of East Africa’ or has looked into Paul Lettow-Vorbeck? I really enjoy his strategic mind and have referenced him in a couple of my posts. I was thinking that since the books are going into Africa and there is going to be more gruella fighting in the Dominion it is more relevant.

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    1. By Clifton Sutherland on

      Paul “Hitler can go F himself” Lettow-Vorbeck is perhaps the most respectable commander of the German army in WW1. Not only for his military accomplishments, but his character as well.

      Haven’t read that book, no. And my reading on him just about covers wikipedia and various internet sites, sadly. I’d love to read more about him- or see an expy of him in the Republic!

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      1. By Logan Meyers on

        If you’d like to read the book its fully online and its an amazing read http://www.archive.org/stream/myreminiscenceso00lettuoft/myreminiscenceso00lettuoft_djvu.txt

        The stories and ability to keep a whole war going while vastly outnumbered is really amazing. One of my favorite parts is after one of his Lieutenants was at the front and taking the train back to get some rest. He had complained of being extremely hungry and Vorbeck called ahead to all the stations he would stop at to tell them he was coming so at every stop families gorged him on food till he was fit to bursting. He was a good commander to his men and had a fine sense of humor in tandem with his strict discipline he expected from all his men black or white.

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        1. By Steve Moore on

          Thanks for the reference, Logan. Had read a fictional account of it (author Stevenson(?), women and sex added) but will look this up. That’s where I got the idea for zeppelin scout/supply. Maybe a few of his men might have been trapped and eventually ended up in the Republic after escaping the Griks?

          My grandfather was in Zanzibar prior to WW1, his journals and photos very interesting.

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          1. By Steve Moore on

            Picked up ‘World War I The African Front’, a book by Edward Paice. Had started reading a few years back but got distracted. Lots of maps and illustrations.

          2. By Logan Meyers on

            Heh more likely if some of his men came over it would be Geberal Smuts Boers with a majority of Askari and a couple of his European officers. Though they would be civil much like those in the Republic. Vorbeck’s forces were known for their professional attitude and many of the Askari saw the white officers as friends (which is proven in the book) and even without any European observers they still acted with respect. For many other nations Askari they were only held to others standards by the presence of officers and would return to their roots (I.e. Cutting off war prizes of prisoners) without supervision because they had never been truly trained or treated like soldiers.

  9. By Logan Meyers on

    Hey I post a lot of scenarios in the forum, is that okay? I feel like it might be inappropriate and threaten the line of fan fiction. I just wanted to check with you guys in whether you think my posts are appropriate for the forum since I dont want to break any rules. And sorry about all the posts, I have a lot of time on my hands as my wrist and knee heal with me stuck in rehabilitation and my mind kind of jumps all over with concepts and ideas.

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    1. By Justin on

      Don’t sweat it – that’s the entire point of a discussion board.

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    2. By Clifton Sutherland on

      I’ve been away for a bit, but to my knowledge as long as you don’t turn entire threads into a specific display of your idea (or, as veterans will remember, Blair-it with what amounted to near-spam levels of quasi-plagarism!), then you should be fine. I’ve posted a few myself.

      If you are worried about it straying into fan fiction, or if your idea is a little separate from the destroyermen but you still think we would enjoy it, then I highly recommend the rapidly growing facebook community, which has a page devoted to fan-fiction.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/566578383510306/

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  10. By donald johnson on

    I don’t know if this is in the right place but if not we can move it.
    I was thinking about the mechanism of the transfers and thought “what if solar eclipse are involved” now i need to check my books and find the date of the walker transfer but cannot find it.
    Here is a list of the 20ith century.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_20th_century

    I did check against the latest fan fict but unless there is collusion between Taylor and the author, this might not the case as he does not read the fan fict. So fan fict date could still be wrong according to Taylor’s calculations. Though I do suppose that Taylor could have given him the date to use without saying how it is calculated. I do not expect that tailor would do this as then we might guess the transfer mechanism before he is ready thereby ruining the story. And it is his excellent story.

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    1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

      Huh. As far as I know, there was no eclipse on March 1 1942, the date of Walker’s, Mahan’s, Amagi’s and S-19s (at least) transfer.

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  11. By Logan Meyers on

    Howdy gents, I kind of dropped off the face of the earth after being a regular here but I’m going to be coming back. I just wanted to share that my fiance passed away due to heart complications a few months back and one of my favorite memories was the two of us riding the bus to work every day reading destroyermen together. Those moments mean the world to me and reading them again has helped me a lot through this tough time. These books mean so much to me, its a bit random but if you see this Taylor I just want to say thank you for helping create those memories with your writing.

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    1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

      Logan, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. I don’t know what to say–what can anyone really say? I do know how you feel, however, and it sounds like you’re over the worst. The pain will never fully fade, but good memories will help you past it. Eventually, the good memories will rise above the sorrow and remain foremost in your heart. That is how it has always been for me. I’m glad the series contributed to some of your good memories. It’s weird how that works. I find that I too cherish books I shared with lost loved ones.

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      1. By Logan Meyers on

        Thank you so very much for your kind words it means an awful lot. Its also special since they hadn’t enjoyed reading in a very long time but your books were the first I could get them into again. It always warmed my heart that we could come together with books since I’m such an avid reader and im glad it was yours.

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    2. By Alexey Shiro on

      Oh. Logan, I’m so sorry to hear that. Hope that those good memories would help you to dull the pain at least a bit.

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      1. By Logan Meyers on

        Thank you, I’ve lost a lot of friends and family lately but this has been the hardest and like you said I’m just happy I have so many memories from our five years together.

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    3. By Clifton Sutherland on

      My condolences for your loss. We all wish you the best during this time, and hope that you will be able to carry on cherishing her memory.

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    1. By Justin on

      There’s a difference between “Republic of People” and “People’s Republic,” General.

      And not yet.

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    2. By Duke Saxon on

      No, but I’d expect something similar to the Imperial German national flag or the Imperial German Naval Ensign.

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          1. By Generalstarwars333 on

            I just took an american flag and put a prussian flag on top of the stars and blue part. I don’t expect it to be too accurate.

      1. By Justin on

        Don’t forget that the Republic was around long before the Germans came. Any flag probably requires a party per bend (for the Ming Dynasty pennant) and a laurel wreath (for the Romans).

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          1. By Justin on

            Perhaps, but differently worded – after all, Senatus Populus Que Romanus (Senate and People of Rome) doesn’t really apply to a new world where Rome doesn’t exist anymore.

        1. By donald johnson on

          And of course remembering that’s the early Romans did not use flags

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  12. By Steve Moore on

    The various groups that have come through a ‘Squall’ seem to suffer no temporal displacement in either direction (not like that movie ‘The Final Countdown’) so it would seem that any new transfers that come through for either side are going to be mid-1940’s tech. Even with the limitation of ‘no active combat records’ there would still be plenty of ships that disappeared with no traces. What would be nice, is a freighter full of aluminum ingots, or better still, an entire Seabees unit with their machinery…

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    1. By Lou Schirmer on

      The main source of cross overs seems be ships that either never were, or were scrapped before WW2, or were hull numbers cancelled before building or launching. Walker existed but was scrapped prior to the war. Amagi was scrapped on the ways due to an earthquake. Santa Catalina seems to be a bit of an anomaly, since she did exist, but was renamed USS Blackhawk after her launch in 1913 & subsequent use as a DD tender. She was scrapped after the war.

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      1. By Steve Moore on

        You’re correct, Lou. I should have made my point clearer, that the Squall did not seem to displace time, so the most we can expect is something 1944 and prior. Surcouf disappeared in 1942 ‘our time’, so who knows where or when the Surcouf sunk by Walker came from. However, what kind of technology alternate Earths had in 1944 is conjecture.

        Making bread this afternoon due to inclement weather, and was thinking, what wouldn’t Earl give for a couple of tons of hard red wheat.

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        1. By Justin on

          Same place Savoie came from. Evidently, veteran warships are acceptable… so long as they have different names and/or timelines, so they’re not the same ship.

          Hmm. If a New Orleans-class came sailing in as (let’s say) USS Seattle, would that work?

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          1. By Marcus on

            I’m not a history whiz so I don’t know if this might work but I think that it would be cool if the union of the tree got a aircraft carrier (An Old One) with planes that were fairly better than the japs but weren’t as good as the p40 E maybe have it with an oiler or tender going to some remote island with planes for its defense or something I think that would be cool because the japs have better planes now and are getting better ones from the guys in the Mediterranean (don’t remember their name) even with the allies like 5 alliances their still losing. (totally not a run on sentence)

  13. By donald johnson on

    Are they ever going to fix this board so that it has more than 5 links tn the list?. It is so hard to find what we miss when there are a dozen posts between visits. Especially when they are posts that are answers to our own questions and statements.

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    1. By Justin on

      Html coding’s a lot harder than you’d think.

      We could always move to a proper forum, but that would mean accounts and logging in. Pass.

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      1. By Clifton Sutherland on

        Agreed. I still think computers work partly on voodoo magic, myself. Though I’m sure there must be some forum based website out there that would be customizable to our needs. Perhaps we could think about that with the release of the next book?

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  14. By Joe Thorsky on

    A TEXAS Sized Finger in the Dam and Last Stand Example
    IDES OF TEXAS – Chad Mitchell Trio mp3
    Shanghaid- Mel Tillis mp3

    Another DECATUR
    Every schoolboy is familiar with the duels of the Wasp and the Frolic, of the Enterprise and the Boxer; but how many people know what happened when the privateer DECATUR met and whipped the DOMINICA of the British Navy to the southward of Bermuda?
    Captain Diron was the man who did it as he was cruising out of Charleston, South Carolina,in the summer of 1813. Sighting an armed schooner slightly heavier than his own vessel, he made for her and was unperturbed when the royal ensign streamed from her gaff. Clearing for action, he closed the hatches so that none of his men could hide below. The two schooners fought in the veiling smoke until the American could ram her bowsprit over the other’s stern and pour her whole crew aboard. In the confined space of the deck, almost two hundred men and lads were slashing and stabbing and shooting amid yells and huzzas. Lieutenant Barrette, the English commander, only twenty-five years old, was mortally hurt and every other officer, excepting the surgeon and one midshipman, was killed or wounded. Two-thirds of the crew were down but still they refused to surrender, and Captain Diron had to pull down the colors with his own hands. Better discipline and marksmanship had won the day for him and his losses were comparatively small.
    Men of his description were apt to think first of glory and let the profits go hang, for there was no cargo to be looted in a King’s ship. Yet on the whole it is fair to say that the private armed ships outfought and outsailed the enemy as impressively as did the few frigates of the American Navy.

    Sabine Pass I-II

    Texas 1
    Sabine Pass lay at the mouth of the Sabine River along the gulf coast of Texas. The Confederates constructed a major fort there in 1861. In September 1862, a Union force captured the fort and, shortly after, the port of Galveston to the southwest. The Yankees now controlled much of the Texas coast. In November, Confederate General John Bankhead Magruder arrived to change Southern fortunes in the area. Magruder, an early Confederate hero in Virginia,was assigned the difficult task of expelling the Federals from Sabine Pass and Galveston.
    Magruder’s efforts paid quick dividends. He recaptured Galveston and then turned his attention to Sabine Pass. The decks of the two Rebel ships, the BELL and the UNCLE BEN, were stacked with cotton bales. Sharpshooters were placed behind the bales and the ships steamed towards the two Union ships, the MORNING LIGHT and the VELOCITY. Some of the sharpshooters became seasick and had to be removed, but the expedition continued. The Confederates chased the Yankee ships into open water, and the sharpshooters injured many Union gunners. Both Union ships soon surrendered. Magruder’s victory reopened the Texas coast for Confederate shipping.

    Texas 1 Again
    In the summer of 1863, the Union commander in the region, General Nathaniel Banks, launched an expedition to retake Sabine Pass. He placed General William B. Franklin in charge of an amphibious force that included four gunboats, 18 transports, and nearly 6,000 troops. They set sail from New Orleans, Louisiana, and arrived off Sabine Pass on September 7. The next day, Franklin called for an invasion of the Confederate band of 47 IRISH immigrants commanded by Lieutenant Richard W. “Dick” Dowling, which was holed up inside of Fort Griffin, a stronghold armed with six old smoothbore cannons.
    Dowling’s men had one major advantage: Their guns were fixed on the narrow channel of Sabine Pass, through which the Yankees would have to sail in order to approach Fort Griffin.
    The Union flotilla of four gunboats and seven troop transports steamed into Sabine Pass and up the Sabine River with the intention of reducing Fort Griffin and landing troops to begin occupying Texas. As the gunboats approached Fort Griffin, they came under accurate fire from the six cannons. The Confederate gunners at Fort Griffin had been sent there as a punishment (whoever heard of a sober disciplined obedient IRISHMAN?). To break the day-to-day monotony, the gunners practiced firing artillery at range markers placed in the river. Their practice paid off. Fort Griffin’s small force of 44 men, under command of Lt. Richard W. Dowling, forced the Union flotilla to retire and captured the gunboat CLIFTON and about 200 prisoners. Further Union operations in the area ceased for about a month. The loss was humiliating for the Union. Franklin was ridiculed, and Dowling’s Rebels became heroes. Banks nixed plans for an invasion of east Texas and focused his attention on the Rio Grande Valley. The heroics at Fort Griffin—44 men stopping a Union expedition—inspired other Confederate soldiers- Who coulda ever thought that Texas would owes its very Confederate existance to Mercenaries and Immigrants from the Emerald Isle.

    Excerpted from:
    “The Old Merchant Marine, A Chronicle of American Ships and Sailors”-Ralph D. Paine

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    1. By Clifton Sutherland on

      What in Tarnation?

      How dare those boys give me up without a fight!

      “Fort Griffin’s small force of 44 men, under command of Lt. Richard W. Dowling, forced the Union flotilla to retire and captured the gunboat CLIFTON and about 200 prisoners. Further Union operations in the area ceased for about a month. The loss was humiliating for the Union”

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  15. By Joe Thorsky on

    Steve-Donald

    So expected of you to take the Promontory Point position here to Soo
    advocate for a IHB RR Line. But People who fly in Hydrogen filled
    Glass Houses shouldn’t IMP(SHLY)throw Scones when there’s no cash ore
    Kari (Faask-Fred) Reynolds Alums to be eg-had or returned!
    Those GLass container filled Hydrodgen Balloons shore make Fred and Kari
    feel so good and pleeosoa(u)ry excited that a happy substitute Alumns
    substitute was found after all.
    Where there’s a will there’s always a Wayback machine.

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        1. By Justin on

          Nope, English. If there was a point to the post, it was lost under all the bad puns.

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          1. By Joe Thorsky on

            Justin

            Some clarification.
            Northwes Passage becomes reality At Promonatory Point UT
            with joining of Ubion Pacific-Central Pacific RR
            Soo = Sault Saint Marie MI
            IHB -RR Servicing Harbor-Ports
            Reynolds Alumn= Major Aluminium MFG Company of WWII
            Good and Plenty-Candy
            Var of-People who live in glass house shouldn’t throw stones
            Cash and Carry
            No Deposit No Return
            Lastly,Wayback Machine-Post WWII Sci Fictional Time Machine

  16. By donald johnson on

    I wonder if Taylor is aware that he has the GRAVITAR tracking cookie attached to his website.

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    1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

      Ook. No, I don’t even know what it is. Should I tell my webmaster to get rid of whatever it is?

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      1. By donald johnson on

        that would be my recomendation. or at least determine if it is a malicious tracker or not

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      2. By Lou Schirmer on

        Might be an idea to check with him on it anyway. Keeps the geeks on their toes. GRAVATAR assigns the monsters, but GRAVITAR may be something different, or it could be the same thing w/slightly different acronyms. Potayto & potahto

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        1. By Justin on

          No kidding. For example, there’s a harmless background process on Windows called “run.dll,” but there’s also a virus called “roun.dll” that’s hoping you won’t notice that it’s spelled differently.

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    2. By Lou Schirmer on

      If I understand it correctly, its how your site identifies each user (by e-mail address) & assigns unique alien viruses to the user name to ID them. The one I’m thinking of is GRAVATAR though (Globally Recognized Avatar), it provides this service, but as a consequence this service is also tracking your internet usage. DJ could be talking about something else though.

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      1. By donald johnson on

        gravitar is the one i was referring to and if it is required for our buggers then i suppose it is ok. Was not aware of them and I always block cookies period.

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          1. By donald johnson on

            did a page source and yes it is a required item for the buggers. for some reason i never noticed it before.
            I can’t spell due to dyslexia and did not notice I had spelled it wrong

          2. By Generalstarwars333 on

            For dyslexics, you both spell remarkably well. Of course, my only real experience with dyslexia is a cousin I don’t see very often and reading the percy jackson books, so my conception of dyslexic spelling may very well be completely inaccurate…

          3. By Lou Schirmer on

            I’m also a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. Woe is me.

          4. By donald johnson on

            It took me many years to find out I was dyslexic. What fooled most of the people including myself was the fact that I read reading in the vicinity of 4000 words of minute as a teenager so they didn’t realize that I was dyslexic it wasn’t until computers came out and my typing errors on the computer became very noticeable too a school teacher Who specialized in dyslexia. My typing is good because of spell checkers not because I spell properly of course if I use the wrong send text it is sometimes the wrong spelling for a sound or word

          5. By Lou Schirmer on

            Sorry DJ I thought you were joking around. Although I do have to double check my typing, as I have a tendency to flip letters around occasionally. Probably just getting old, but who knows. I never even heard of dyslexia until I’d been in the military for 10 years or so. Back in my day it wasn’t a really recognized condition.

      2. By Lou Schirmer on

        Case in point, I right clicked on this page & hit “View Source” & found this on line 165:

        By donald johnson on <a

        Looks like this line assigns the "Monster ID" to the user Donald Johnson.

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  17. By Steve Moore on

    I’ll leave the engineer in peace to defend the Republic.

    On the other side of the world, what about the Doms? Not having technical support from Kurokawa or the League, a few squadrons of DD’s armed with Republic 75mm guns could reduce them to a coastal navy; reduce the Grikbird threat and they’re really in trouble. PT’s would be ideal ships for a coastal offensive as well since their speed and height above water would negate the Grikbird’s diving attacks. Send them inshore as a lure to pull the Grikbirds out into futile and costly attacks, reducing the supply.

    A seaplane/land plane/PT base at Cabo San Lucas that could handle Clippers and Buzzards (crated and delivered by ship) could get planes high enough to contact Palmer & Kari (or Garrett!) and establish more frequent contact with the NUS. Cabo to Brownsville would be about 1500 miles, so if that’s in NUS hands, that could be an eventual base. I couldn’t find any data on range for them; Taylor? How about up-engined PB-2R’s with wheeled gear, longer wings for more range and long-range tanks for recon & return to a land base? They’d be useful in both theaters.

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    1. By Steve White on

      I’ve been wondering about getting to the NUS a different way. If one knew how far to the west the NUS had settled, one could fly a Clipper from the new Imperial / US Navy joint base in San Diego. But you sure wouldn’t want to have to set up a fuel depot half-way given what Taylor has said about the land.

      My map program tells me that San Diego to San Antonio is about 1270 miles. Can a Clipper do that?

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      1. By Steve Moore on

        That’s why I was hoping to see a PB with a narrower wheeled fuselage and long-range tanks, maybe even PB-5 wings. Need water to set the Clipper down on, which is why I thought Brownsville since NUS is more of a maritime nation?

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      2. By donald johnson on

        easily as they gave more than a 2000 mile range. remember that the clippers are flying from manila to hawaii

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    2. By Alexey Shiro on

      Assuming that NUS would be willing to side with the Union, firstly. They have the League nearby, after all. And NUS clearly could not hope to fight League alone – and the Union is pretty far away from them.

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      1. By donald johnson on

        The league is not that close to the NUS. At least 5000 miles from Benghazi to Miami so the league would need to use oilers for any round trip. Yes they could leave them 1000 miles at sea and return to them, but they are definitely NOT close. The league would need to have a prepared port somewhere in the new world and most likely in the eastern Caribbean to be able to get anywhere.
        The Nus most likely has at least lookouts with telegraph at any potential port on the east coast to prevent the doms from sneaking in and the League would run into the lookouts and need to remove them without being detected which would be a problem. Remember that the telegraph is like a bergaler alarm in that just the act of cutting the wires will at the minimum of setting people out to find and repair the break. The repair party’s will most likely be armed troops due to they would think that Indians or Doms would have cut them and so would be prepared for fighting.

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        1. By Joe Thorsky on

          Steve-Alexey_Donald

          The NUS does have the makings of an air force in the making already. They just need to reverse engineer and mass produce the PB-1B Nancy that Fred-Kari had nested into their possession. The NUS does possess an inferred infant pre-post industialization culture-economy.

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          1. By donald johnson on

            I wonder how good a trainer a PB-1 would be for someone who does not fly and never has flown. I am reasonably certain that Kari and friend will not teach them to fly it without Allied permission. I suspect that the in NUS will attempt to make copies of it but I also suspect that they will lose the first few due to lack of training by those they picked to be Pilots and whatnot really have a successful flight until Kari gets radio permission. I also suspect that their attempts to make duplicates will cause friction between the NUS and allies unless they are given permission early without question.

          2. By Lou Schirmer on

            The current model PB-1B is inherently unstable in the pitch axis (nose up or down). The Center of Gravity CG is well behind the Center of Lift (CL). This makes stall recoveries a lengthy, hazardous & often fatal process. The only people capable of flying it without killing themselves are:
            A. Very Good pilots
            B. Those trained by very good pilots
            Someone learning to fly without the benefits of either, will almost inevitably crash, usually fatally.

        2. By Joe Thorsky on

          Donald-Lou

          The Alliance has skilled experienced pilots but not enough planes to fly, the NUS has capacity to manufacture and produce aircraft or even an improved version of the Nancy but no pilots. Ferry pilots to NUS by air or troop ship could be a workable option to take.

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      2. By Steve Moore on

        Distance to Miami just about as far as the Cape, with the added problem being that leapfrogging along the coast setting up bases is not an option.

        The other issue I see is political. The NUS was based on a young United States, manifest destiny and all that. I can’t see them allying themselves with fascists, although Lemurians may be just as tough a sell. But since most of their ‘dames’ have probably come from Mexico, probably have some links to the Jaguaristas; maybe the Mi-Anaaka & human alliance might work. I just hope that the Empire doesn’t go all Limey on them and screw things up. Knocking off the Doms gives the NUS a yuge place to expand.

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        1. By Joe Thorsky on

          Steve:

          All said with some good; but you also overlook
          the Alliance acquiring dirigible technology that also can
          be reverse engineered to ferry pilots and war materials to
          NUS. A newer wrinkle to iron ore out.
          Less another Hindenburg incident transpires.

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          1. By Steve Moore on

            No aluminum for the frames; flammable hydrogen to maximize lifting even a limited weight capacity. Alliance not as suicidal as Grik. OK for scouting the Kalahari… JMHO. Send them steam engines to help ship iron ore and coal from Midwest to build steel mills in Texas for the New Orleans & Pacific Railroad..

          2. By donald johnson on

            They already have Steam and most likely some very good steam engines although no turbines. Wooden framed dirigible. are quite viable, they just don’t carry as much as aluminum framed dirigible. I suspect that the nus would love to have dirigible technology even if it is hydrogen.

          3. By Alexey Shiro on

            Steve Moore, the Shutte-Lanz airships – the ones with wooden frames – were considered even superior to zeppelins up until 1916. They are perfectly viable.

          4. By Justin on

            Alexey… what? Schutte Lanzes were glued together, and said glue tended to get unglued by moisture.

            That, plus lousy waterproofing means that they’re completely inferior to metal-framed hulls, especially in the naval duties required by the Allies. There’s a reason the Kaiserliche Marine wouldn’t touch them.

          5. By Alexey Shiro on

            (Sigh) Justin, we already went through that!

            //There’s a reason the Kaiserliche Marine wouldn’t touch them.//

            Oh yeah?

            Please explain the existence of said naval airships as: SL-2, SL-4, SL-6, SL-8, SL-9, SL-12, SL-14, SL-20 and uncompleted SL-22?

            :)

          6. By Alexey Shiro on

            //Alexey… what? Schutte Lanzes were glued together, and said glue tended to get unglued by moisture. //

            Yeah, after several hundreds hours of flighttime over sea. Actually, zeppelins have moisture problems too.

          7. By Justin on

            Desperation – note the Navy’s preference for Zepps… and Schutte Lanz’s attempts to adopt aluminum hulls instead. Wood frames should work fine for overland duty.

          8. By Alexey Shiro on

            Not even close. The Navy preferred zeppelins, yes (mainly because they were faster to build), but up until 1916, SL airships generally more capable. The moisture degradation weren’t big problem; the average zeppelin airship generally have the same lenght of service life as SL airship.

            SL switched to alluminium, because wood have advantages only until certain size were reached. Past that – the metal frames became just more weight-effective

          9. By Justin on

            More capable how? Zepps and SLs’ve got more or less the same specs for their respective dimensions.

          10. By Alexey Shiro on

            Simply speaking – they have better shape, and their wooden frames better resisted compression forces than alluminium frames of zeppelins.

  18. By Joe Thorsky on

    All Hands. All Hands!
    “The Haunting Lamp is now Lit!”
    “The Haunting Lamp is now LIt!”

    Mp3
    Weird -Norman Greenbaum
    Pretend the Night Away-Main Street Mystic
    There Ain’t no Such Thing-Main Street Mystic
    Something’s Wrong- Lowell Fulson
    Same Damn Thing- Screamin’ Jay Hawkins
    Ricochet in Time -Shaun Colvin/Vietnam A Long Time Coming
    Ghosts of Cape Horn- Gordon Lightfoot
    Time’s Gettin’ Tougher and Tougher than Tough- Jimmy Witherspoon
    Untrue Blues -Blind Boy Fuller

    I Strange/Flock of Ships
    “And the Commander had now found two ships where there couldn’t have been any.”…
    “The Commander had barely time to note the twin tracks that still marked the sand where the huge phosphor-bronze propellers had gouged deep into the surface as they drove the ship farther and farther up onto the beach; then the Navigator was pointing to yet another obscenely deformed mass that rose from the shallow water directly astern of the gutted steel corpse.”
    And while the Commander swung his binoculars incredulously between what were now the three shells of the impossible fleet, the Navigating Officer whispered in a hushed voice; “She must’ve been doing bloody near twenty knots to drive herself up on the beach like that, for Chrissake!”

    “This ship, Number One. She’s been lying here ever since the war, just rotting and rusting and dying of old age.”
    “Yessir….Er, which war would that be, Sir?” said the First Lieutenant, for he was young and his first memory of angry guns was as a fleet midshipman off the coast of Korea.”
    “The Commander looked at him sadly. “If you were a little older, Number One, you’d realize there only ever was one real war.” …
    “He turned back to his Number One.” “I always was frustrated every time I read that damned MARIE CELESTE story, Number One.” ” You know? That sailing ship found drifting with no one on board?” ” He started off up the shrapnel-pitted ladder from the well deck,
    then hesitated momentarily.’ “And I’m buggered if I could stand not knowing what happened here twenty-five years ago.” “They only hesitated for a few seconds beside the section of teak planking that had, at one time, presumably formed part of the monkey island- that open area above the wheelhouse used primarily for taking azimuth bearings while navigating in narrow waters. The little white-painted silhouette they could see on it had weathered well through the years, protected as it was from the winds and rains by the break of the chartroom.”
    “Damn thing looks like a submarine, Number One,” the Commander commented, looking more closely.” “And that was yet another odd factor to consider because, as the First Lieutenant pointed out, it was not uncommon for submarine Captains to celebrate a kill by painting a little white merchantman on the side of their conning towers… but a submarine painted on a merchantman?” “They must’ve been either bloody drunk or bloody mad …or bein’ chased by the very Devil himself,” muttered the Commander.” “Yet, even that explanation didn’t bear close examination for, in a ship of this size, there must have been a lot of deck officers and they could’nt all have been drunk or mad.”
    “And the Devil doesn’t really exist- not in the South Atlantic anyway!” pp 9-16

    “We were steaming in sort of L’ formation my own ship, CYCLOPS, at the head of the ‘L’, with the Frenchman, COMMANDANT JOFFRE and our sister ship ATHENIAN, lying one thousand yards astern and steaming abreast with about six cables between them while, darting in and out of the group like a frustrated moth round a candle, little MALLARD showed us with monotonous persistence just what an eleven-hundred-ton corvette could do in the way of tight,stern skidding turns.” pp 20-21

    “Long low silhouettes seen as they were from almost two miles away, out past the bulk of the slowly moving ATHENIAN. We watched in silence as the first warship seemed suddenly to telescope in length, then I realized she was swinging towards us, helm hard over to anticipate that waiting shelf, almost as if she already knew of its existence.” “Behind me I heard Evans draw a long, hissing breath.” “He was right.” ” The Navy had arrived.”
    “Except that it was the wrong Navy!” -pp 165-85

    “He stopped talking then-rather abruptly- and hs eyes looked wide and surprised for a few seconds. Almost hurt, if you know what I mean. There was something else slightly different about his face, too, but it took me nearly the same time to realize what it was.
    He’d now got three eyes.” -pp 218

    Excerpted Passages from A Flock of Ships-Brian Callison-Berkley Publishing 1970
    Excellent “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!” Thriller

    II Strangest/Ourang Medan

    “Depending on which report is accurate, a curious radio message was received by numerous ships traveling along the Straits of Malacca, situated around Sumatra and Malaysia in either June 1947 or as late as February 1948. At the time, the origins of this message – an SOS – were not known. The message itself was divided into two parts, separated by Morse code that could not be deciphered. Those that received this message insisted that the transcript went:”
    “All Officers, including the Captain, are dead. Lying in chartroom and bridge. Possibly whole crew dead. … I die.”

    “Nothing else was transmitted after this chilling conclusion. Two ships, both American, picked up the messages and felt compelled to investigate. With the help of British and Dutch listening posts, the coordinates of the vessel thought to be transmitting, the Dutch freighter S.S. Ourang Medan, were triangulated and an American merchant ship, the Silver Star, was sent to the coordinates. Given the content of the distress calls, the Captain of the Silver Star wasted no time in navigating to the new heading. Several hours later, the look-out on board the Silver Star spotted the stricken Ourang Medan. Even as the rescue ship pulled alongside, no signs of life could be seen visually. All efforts to contact the crew failed, forcing the Captain of the Silver Star to organize a search party. The moment that the search party boarded, it was obvious that the messages were horribly accurate. The decks of the Ourang Medan were littered with the corpses of the Dutch crew. To a man, the victims were found with wide-eyed horror and faces twisted into sheer terror, arms trying to fight off … something. Not even the ship’s dog escaped the terror of whatever had taken place. The canine was discovered to be in the midst of snarling at the cause.” “The Captain was found, as one might have expected, on his bridge. The remainder of the Bridge Officers were found in the wheelhouse and Chartroom. The Radio Operator, who presumably sent the distress call, was found at his station. The engineering crew were also found at their stations with precisely the same expressions on their faces.”
    During the search efforts, the rescue party noticed several things that struck then as odd or strange. The local temperature was in excess of 100°F but members of the team felt an ominous chill emanating from somewhere. Another oddity was the conditions of the victims. All of them had suffered but none had any injuries to note of. They were also decaying quicker than they should be. The ship itself didn’t appear to have suffered any damage and when the search party returned to the Silver Star, the decision to tow the Ourang Medan for salvage was quickly taken. It was only when the ships were tethered together that smoke was discovered below decks, specifically the No. 4 cargo hold. Within seconds of the tow rope being severed, the Ourang Medan exploded with enough force to lift it out of the water before sinking to the sea bed.”

    “The first official mention of the incident was made by the United States Coast Guard in May 1952. in addition to the witness testimony of the state of the crew themselves, the published account added that they were all found with ‘their frozen faces upturned to the sun… staring, as if in fear… the mouths were gaping open and the eyes staring‘.”
    “One of the arguments cited against this ever taking place was the registry of the Ourang Medan. Officially speaking, it appears as though it never actually existed. The Silver Star was a real vessel though, but at the time the Ourang Medan was supposed to have been floundering, the Silver Star was operating under another registration: Santa Juana. The Grace Line shipping company had bought rights to the ship and renamed it.”
    Was the S.S. Ourang Medan a genuine event or just a mariner’s seafaring tale designed to scare, frighten or dissuade? After all, as every sailor is fond of revealing, the one that got away was this big.

    Sources
    The Unexplained Mysteries
    Slightly Warped

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  19. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor

    As we quite anxiously and excitedly prepare and await that forthcoming “Titanic” battle- (Superbowl LI?). A most unheralded historical event has just silently passed that is so noteworthy of our attention to amuse about, especially now that the Destroyermen
    history of the NUS is about to be further revealed and expanded upon. Does this begin to mean that we can also start to postulate about the very likely wartime entry of Canada as an active ally against the DOMS and their LOT?

    Egg or the Hen- Koko Taylor
    The Supremacy Cause Rerun

    American flag dispatch- On January 29, 1861, three days after the secession of Louisiana, US Secretary of the Treasury John A. Dix sent instructions to his agents in New Orleans that ordered the captains of the revenue cutters in the port city to relinquish their vessels to the appropriate Federal Authorities. Secretary Dix subsequently learned that Captain JG Breshwood of the McClelland boasted that he would deliver his vessel to the Secessionist Party in Louisiana. The Treasury Secretary sent follow-up orders to the US authorities in New Orleans and authorized them to seize the vessel.The dispatch gained immortality of a sort by a single sentence of the text: “If anyone attempts to haul down the American flag, shoot him on the spot.”

    Historical Background and Context
    In his last month as President, January, 1861, according to John Dix, James Buchanan, under pressure from Wall Street, appointed John Dix Secretary of the Treasury. In a letter to Mrs. William T. Blodgett on March 31, 1865, Secretary Dix gave a fascinating history of the incident, with the stipulation that it not be published during his or Buchanan’s lifetime:
    The Letter reads as follows:
    “I was requested by Mr. Buchanan to go to Washington early in January, 1861. He said he wished me to take a place in his Cabinet, and offered me the War Department, which I declined…But I said to him that if he thought I could be of any use to him in the Treasury Department, I would not refuse it. He replied that he thought he could make the arrangement, and I left Washington for New York. Before I reached home I saw my appointment in the newspapers. Howell Cobb had resigned as Secretary of the Treasury a few weeks before and returned to Georgia, for the purpose of co-operating with that State in the attempt to break up the Union”…
    I entered on my duties on the 15th day of January, 1861, and at
    Mr. Buchanan’s urgent request stayed with him at the President’s house. Forts, arsenals, and revenue-cutters in the Southern States had been seized by the local authorities. No effort had been made by the government to secure its property; and there was an apparent indifference in the public mind to these outrages which was incomprehensible to me.”
    “On the 18th of January, three days after I entered on my duties, I sent a special messenger, W. Hemphill Jones…to New Orleans, for the purpose of saving the revenue-cutters in that city. He was then to proceed to Mobile and Galveston and try to save the revenue-cutters there. My orders were to provision them and send them to New York. I knew if they remained there that the State authorities would take possession of them.”
    “I received from Mr. Jones, on the 29th of January, the dispatch…advising me that Captain Breshwood, of the revenue-cutter McClelland, refused to obey my order. It was about seven o’clock in the evening. I had dined, and was at the department as usual, transacting business. The moment I read it I wrote the following order:”

    Treasury Department, January 29, 1861.
    ” Tell Lieutenant Caldwell to arrest Captain Breshwood, assume command of the cutter, and obey the order I gave through you. If Captain Breshwood, after arrest, undertakes to interfere with the command of the cutter, tell Lieutenant Caldwell to consider him as a mutineer, and treat him accordingly. If any one attempts to haul down the American flag, shoot him on the spot. ”
    – John A. Dix, Secretary of the Treasury.’

    “Not a word was altered; but the original was handed to the clerk charged with the custody of my telegraphic despatches, copied by him, and the copy signed by me and sent to its destination. Before I sent it, however, a question of military etiquette arose in my mind in regard to the arrest of Captain Breshwood, and I took a carriage and drove to the lodgings of Lieutenant-general [Winfield] Scott, to consult him in regard to it. Mr. [Edwin M.] Stanton was then Attorney-general. My relations with him were of the most intimate character; and as he resided near General Scott’s lodgings I drove to his house first, and showed the despatch to him. He approved of it, and made some remark expressing his gratification at the tone of the order. General Scott said I was right on the question of etiquette, and I think expressed his gratification that I had taken a decided stand against Southern invasions of the authority of the government. I immediately returned to the department and sent the despatch. General Scott, Mr. Stanton, and the clerk who copied it were the only persons who saw it.”
    “It was on Tuesday evening, the weekly drawing-room evening of Miss Lane, and before nine o’clock I was with her visitors.”
    “I decided when I wrote the order to say nothing to the President about it. I was satisfied that, if he was consulted, he would not permit it to be sent. Though indignant at the course of the Southern States, and the men about him who had betrayed his confidence—Cobb, Floyd, and others—one leading idea had taken possession of his mind, that in the civil contest which threatened to break out the North must not shed the first drop of blood. This idea is the key to his submission to much which should have been met with prompt and vigorous resistance. During the seven weeks I was with him he rarely failed to come to my room about ten o’clock, and converse with me for about an hour on the great questions of the day before going to his own room. I was strongly impressed with his conscientiousness. But he was timid and credulous. His confidence was easily gained, and it was not difficult for an artful man to deceive him. But I remember no instance in my unreserved intercourse with him in which I had reason to doubt his uprightness.”
    “Tuesdays and Fridays were Cabinet days. The members met, without notice, at the President’s house in the morning. My order was given, as has been stated, on Tuesday evening. I said nothing to the President in regard to it, though he was with me every evening, until Friday, when the members of the Cabinet were all assembled, and the President was about to call our attention to the business of the day. I said to him, ‘Mr. President, I fear we have lost some more of our revenue-cutters.’ ‘Ah!’ said he, ‘how is that?’ I then told him what had occurred down to the receipt of the despatch from Mr. Jones, informing me that Captain Breshwood refused to obey my order. ‘Well,’ said he, ‘what did you do?’ I then repeated to him, slowly and distinctly, the order I had sent. When I came to the words, ‘Shoot him on the spot,’ he started suddenly, and said, with a good deal of emotion, ‘Did you write that?’ ‘No, sir,’ I said, ‘I did not write it, but I telegraphed it.’ He made no answer; nor do I remember that he ever referred to it afterward.
    It was manifest, as I had presupposed, that the order would never have been given if I had consulted him.”
    “It only remains for me to say that the order was not the result of any premeditation—scarcely of any thought. A conviction of the right course to be taken was as instantaneous as a flash of light; and I did not think, when I seized the nearest pen… and wrote the order in as little time as it would take to read it, that I was doing anything specially worthy of remembrance. It touched the public mind and heart strongly, no doubt, because the blood of all patriotic men was boiling with indignation at the humiliation which we were enduring; and I claim no other merit than that of having thought rightly, and of having expressed strongly what I felt in common with the great body of my countrymen.”

    For the members of the NUS the events as just described thankfully did not actually occur or happen, but for those of us not actually transferred into Taylor’s Destroyermen Universe reexperiencing and reliving of such events on a Perpetual Motion Historical Time Loop is both our inherited curse and hope. A troubled conscious from our past blurring today’s headlines of either or or; just how rare of an event can this be?

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    1. By Justin on

      Canada? You sure you haven’t been drinking, Joe?

      A) It’s an Ice Age. Practically everything north of the 45th parallel is a giant glacier.

      B) Assuming there’s a settlement or two on the St Lawrence, which Canadians are we talking about, how the hell are we getting all the way down to Mexico, and what exactly would we be doing with a bunch of armed fishing trawlers?

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      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        Justin-Alexey

        1 Yes! I am in constant need of a stable dependable supplier of Canadian Whiskey!

        2 Taylor has had tendency to “timely machiney” introduce new players into various combat theaters based upon WW-II Allied-Axis powers. Canada was/is a member of British Commonwealth
        – so why not?

        3 Great Lakes plus navigable Mississippi River Basin (Receding Glaciers or Not) is still the ideal originator/source site for any contemplated or planned Reindustrialization on planet.

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        1. By Justin on

          2) Because practically all our stuff was Royal Navy surplus AND active-duty; the rest is basically a bunch of fishing boats. No interwar vessels, no cancelled ship classes, nothing to see here.

          3) Assuming the Great Lakes even exist. We don’t really know enough about the East Coast, but I’m guessing that the NUS would’ve mentioned steamships from somebody further north.

          And what’s the point of making them Canadian? “Diversity?” Either they’d basically be Americans but with no ships and flying a Union Jack… or to make them unique, we’d get a hundred pages’ worth of “aboots” (which NOBODY ever says).

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          1. By Joe Thorsky on

            Justin

            1. Your Premise is a bit faulty; the kind of Canadians that just might materialize may come with modifications from just about Anytime or Anywhen.
            2 Having a large inventory of Canadian Whiskey on hand will definitely help soothe the pain incurred from having to hear all those “aboots” -Free market incentives minus ear plugs do work!

          2. By Steve Moore on

            It’s just about time for some new transports, anyway. But believable… no Los Angeles class attack subs. What would be nice is a couple of underway replenishment ships, maybe a depot ship or two… with a load of diesel engines.

          3. By Lou Schirmer on

            I don’t think they’re going to get any thing of immediate assistance to them. It’s always been something of marginal utility they have to work REAL hard & several books to salvage or modify. P-40’s come to mind. It took forever to get them to fly, then there was low octane fuel, landing strips w/pot holes, inexperienced pilots etc. They went from about 30 or so down to what six now? Those six are potent, but not war winners. If I were Mallory, I’d be looking to do something with the salvageable engines, props, landing gear etc. from the dead P-40’s & maybe make a few plywood or FRP fighters or fast medium bombers.

          4. By Justin on

            // Your Premise is a bit faulty; the kind of Canadians that just might materialize may come with modifications from just about Anytime or Anywhen.//

            You could have one where Tecumseh wins, but that’d be Muskogee, not Canada. Or where France wins the Seven Years War, but that’d be Acadia.

            No matter how much you “modify” 20th century Canada, it’s still the place where all the Loyalists fled to – America, but British. Merely a cosmetic difference, so you might as well create New Detroit instead. Less research involved.

      2. By donald johnson on

        The great lakes would not be a viable shipping source to the Atlantic due to the niagra falls but with a very manageable canal could use the Mississippi River. The lakes were carved by the Glacers during the Ice Ages but we aren’t greatly into one as the sea levels are much too high.

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  20. By Joe Thorsky on

    Another Finger in the Dam and Last Stand Example
    So, what’s in a name?
    The Birthright “American”

    “The Prince de Neufchatel was a fast sailing United States schooner-rigged privateer, built in New York by Adam and Noah Brown in approximately 1812. She is a fine example of the peak of development of the armed schooner. Her design is believed to be due to Christian Bergh. She had a hermaphrodite rig, i.e., she combined the rigs of a schooner and a brigantine. ”
    “She carried four sails on the foremast, one square sail on the main, and a large fore-and-aft sail with gaff abaft the fore, with large staysails over and three jibs. Her spanker boom projected far beyond the stern.”
    ” Neufchatel operated in mainly European waters, damaging British shipping during the War of 1812. Noted for her speed, at one time she outran seventeen men-of-war. In 1813, operating in the English channel, she took nine British prizes in quick succession. She also delivered a crushing defeat to the boats of a British frigate that tried to capture her.”
    The Prince de Neuchatel had the honor of beating off the attack of a forty-gun British frigate–an exploit second only to that of the General Armstrong in the harbor of Fayal. This privateer with a foreign name hailed from New York and was so fortunate as to capture for her owners three million dollars’ worth of British merchandise. With Captain J. Ordronaux on the quarterdeck, she was near Nantucket Shoals at noon on October 11, 1814, when a strange
    sail was discovered. As this vessel promptly gave chase, Captain Ordronaux guessed-and as events proved correctly–that she must be a British frigate. She turned out to be the Endymion. The privateer had in tow a prize which she was anxious to get into port, but she was forced to cast off the hawser late in the afternoon and make every effort to escape.”
    “The breeze died with the sun and the vessels were close inshore. Becalmed, the privateer and the frigate anchored a quarter of a mile apart. Captain Ordronaux might have put his crew on the beach in boats and abandoned his ship. This was the reasonable course, for, as he had sent in several prize crews, he was short-handed and could muster no more than thirty-seven men and boys. The Endymion, on the other hand, had a complement of three hundred and fifty sailors and marines, and in size and fighting power she was in the class of the American frigates President and Constitution. Quite unreasonably, however, the master of the privateer decided to await events.”
    “The unexpected occurred shortly after dusk when several boats loaded to the gunwales with a boarding party crept away from the frigate. Five of them, with one hundred and twenty men, made a concerted attack at different points, alongside and under the bow
    and stern. Captain Ordronaux had told his crew that he would blow up the ship with all hands before striking his colors, and they believed him implicitly. This was the hero who was described as
    “a Jew by persuasion, a Frenchman by birth, an American for convenience, and so diminutive in stature as to make him appear ridiculous, in the eyes of others, even for him to enforce authority among a hardy, weatherbeaten crew should they do aught against his will.” He was big enough, nevertheless, for this night’s bloody work, and there was no doubt about his authority. While the British tried to climb over the bulwarks, his thirty-seven men and boys fought like raging devils, with knives, pistols, cutlases, with their bare fists and their teeth. A few of the enemy gained the deck, but the privateersmen turned and killed them. Others leaped aboard and were gradually driving the Americans back, when the skipper ran to the hatch above the powder magazine, waving a lighted match and swearing to drop it in if his crew retreated one step further. Either way the issue seemed desperate. But again they took their skipper’s word for it and rallied for a bloody struggle which soon swept the decks.No more than twenty minutes had passed and the battle was won. The enemy was begging for quarter. One boat had been sunk, three had drifted away filled with dead and wounded, and the fifth was captured with thirty-six men in it of whom only eight were unhurt. The American loss was seven killed and twenty-four wounded, or thirty-one of her crew of thirty-seven. Yet they had not given up the ship. The frigate Endymion concluded that once was enough, and next morning the Prince de Neuchatel bore away for Boston with a freshening breeze.”

    Postscript
    The British finally captured her in December 1814; She was broken up in 1815.

    Excerpted from:
    “The Old Merchant Marine,
    A Chronicle of American Ships and Sailors”-Ralph D. Paine

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  21. By donald johnson on

    Well now that we have the new name for the new book and the new cover for the new book this picture needs to be swapped with that of the new book. Yes I know Taylor is busy and I guess maybe this came with it breaks the camels back but

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  22. By Steve White on

    A question: has Taylor said anything about the musical instruments the Lemurians play?

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    1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

      There are string instruments kind of like long-neck gourd mandolins, and they have some woodwinds. They don’t have the right kind of lips for bugles or trumpets. Between the Lemurian and few other world instruments, there have been some odd ensembles from time to time.

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      1. By matthieu on

        An now I wonder what their dances look like? Are they
        – line dances
        – traditional ones: see on youtubes “circasian circle” or better “branle d’ecosse” (almost the oldest historically accurate dance that we know from Europe)
        – classic (waltz like)
        – modern (after 1940)
        – tribal (if it’s the accurate word)

        Do they use their tail?

        How do their record music?

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        1. By Duke Saxon on

          Ha- not that you’ve said that, I’m imagining Tabby doing a hula dance to annoy Spanky.

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          1. By donald johnson on

            Hula dancing yes, If there’s ever a movie that has got to be in it

  23. By Joe Thorsky on

    All Hands. All Hands!
    “The Haunting Lamp is now Lit!”
    “The Haunting Lamp is now LIt!”

    “I Ain’t Superstitious” -Howling Wolf/ Best of the Blues Vol. 2
    “Bad Luck Blues” -Brownie McGhee
    “Bad Luck and Troubles” -Memphis Slim/ The Blues Collection Vol 13
    “Strange Things Happen” -Carey Bell,Lazy Lester, Snooky Pryor/ Superhaarps II
    “Bad Luck’s My Buddy” – Harmonica Blues
    “Bad Situation” -Homesick James Williamson/ Goin’ Back in the Times
    “Jinx Blues” -Big Joe Williams/Blues Juke Box Hits 1

    Beginnings
    The Brave New World Order
    The Waterloo-above the Soo or Faith-based Outcomes
    The Tragic Fate of the Tug FERO
    “Up until 1871, only the the natural entrance to the harbor at the Superior end was navigable and the citizens of Duluth soon began to feel the pinch. it was conceived to dig a canal through Minnesota Point so that vessels would not have to sail the seven odd miles from the Port of Superior.”…..
    “It did not take much to galvanize the War Department. On June 9th,1871 a stop work injunction was issued at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas and an Army officer dispatched to serve the papers.” “Word of the impending action reached the population of Duluth on a Friday evening by telegraph. On the assumption that the U.S. Government does not do anything over a weekend, the citizenry took up shovels and began to dig by hand. Luckily, this was the era of Pony Express and not Federal Express, so Duluth Mayor J.B. Culver led a gang of more than 50 volunteers into an around -the- clock digging session. In the darkness of Saturday night, the rumble of dynamite was reportedly heard as the digging proceeded by torch light. By late Sunday, water flowed through the ditch, and with the level of the bay being slightly higher than the lake, nature was allowed to do the rest. As dawn broke on Monday, the Federal emissary was greeted by an opened 30- foot- wide canal, and the tug FERO steaming up and down tooting her whistle in defiant celebration. Standing among the piles of freshly-dug soil and rock with a limp court order in his hand, the Federal man felt just a bit cheated.
    It is said that Canal Supervisor Munger pointed his finger at the new waterway. “You stop it if you can.” he said bluntly to the Federal Man, ” I can’t.”
    “Each blast of the tug’s steam whistle was an exclamation point to what everyone knew, that once opened the Duluth Ship Canal would never be closed.”…..
    “If they could only peer down through the depths, they would see the battered remains of what once the finest product of the most creative mind on the Great Lakes. The silence of the wreck cloaks the jubilation that it once brought to the ports of Superior and Duluth”…..

    From Whalebacks and Robber-Barons,
    Ghost Ships, Gales and Forgotten Tales-Wes Oleszewski
    Avory Color Studios, 1995

    End
    “As sailors’ worlds contracted around their narrow specialties, it was easy for them to feel as much like initiates in a mysterous brotherhood as cogs in a machine. Vestiges of the mystical remained. And despite their determined optimism, dark superstitions lurked everywhere.”
    “While she was preparing to leave Freemantle for the East Indies, the Perth had been recalled three times before finally receiving orders to depart at 11:30 on February 13. Confronted with the unlucky date, Captain Waller intentionally delayed standing out till after midnight on the fourteenth. One did not idly tempt
    the fates.Unease was already rife on that ship. The Perth sailors realized at one point that two chaplains were on the roster, and contemplated the apocalyptic implications. “One was bad enough,” Ronald McKie wrote, “but two-that was lethal.”

    Another omen: While the Perth was firing on Japanese planes, a portrait of Marina, Duchess of Kent- it was she who had rechristened the ship as the Perth in 1939 after she was acquired from the Royal Navy as the HMS Amphion fell from the wardroom
    bulkhead and crashed to the floor. Clearly dark ghosts were at work.” pp-101-102

    “But perhaps the most striking portent involved the feline mascots of the Houston and the Perth”…..
    “As Rooks walked down the gangplank for a meeting of commanders, the ship’s cat “took off down that pier into Java like some big hound dog”. “You never saw a cat move so fast in your life.” Apparently the animal had had enough of life on the ship, be it a favorite of the President (FDR) or not. Crewmen who witnessed the
    incident were nearly as spooked as their feline ex shipmate. It gave substance to a fear expressed by Lieutenant Winslow -“that, like a cat, the Houston had expended eight of its nine lives and this one last request of fate would be too much.” pp-102

    (The Perths’ black cat, Red Lead)
    ” In port now, Red Lead tried three times to desert the ship.The master at arms finally had to place him in “irons”, stiching his paws in a kerosene can with holes cut in it. The animal seemed to know something.” pp-102

    “An officer on the Houston had asked , as his ship was passing through Sundra Strait on February 24, whether anyone had heard what he had: the sound of a gate clanging shut.”
    “The Perth’s engineering officer Lt Frank Gillan , felt a similar breath on his neck as he saluted the falling flag. According to Ronald McKie, “He felt that this moment at sundown was a dividing line between the past and the future and that somewhere a decision
    had been made affecting his life and the lives of them all.”….. pp-103

    Excerpts from Ship of Ghosts-James D Hornfischer, Bantam Dell November 2006

    Note:
    The Wheel of History slowly inevitably grinds and make its own return and presence known in so many surprisingly different venues that are truly unfathomable.
    Once again, the Anniversary marking and commemorating the events leading to the March 1, 1942 sinkings of the USS Houston and the Hmas Perth approaches.
    And, for those who wish to remember, it continues to haunt and shame our consciences.
    Here’s to their Service Above and Beyond the Call.

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  24. By Joe Thorsky on

    Another Finger in the Dam and Last Stand Example

    Hold The Fort
    “Just before Sherman began his famous march to the sea in 1864, and while his army lay camped in the neighborhood of Atlanta on the 5th of October, the army of Hood, in a carefully prepared movement, passed the right flank of Sherman’s army, gained his rear, and commenced the destruction of the railroad leading north, burning blockhouses and capturing the small garrisons along the line. Sherman’s army was put in rapid motion pursuing Hood, to save the supplies and larger posts, the principal one of which was located at Altoona Pass. General Corse, of Illinois, was stationed here with about fifteen hundred men, Colonel Tourtelotte being second in command. A million and a half of rations were stored here and it was highly important that the earthworks commanding the pass and protecting the supplies should be held. Six thousand men under command of General- French were detailed by Hood to take the position. The works were completely surrounded and summoned to surrender. Corse refused and a sharp fight commenced. The defenders were slowly driven into a small fort on the crest of the hill. Many had fallen, and the result seemed to render a prolongation of the fight hopeless. At this moment an officer caught sight of a white signal flag far away across the valley, twenty miles distant, upon the top of Kenesaw Mountain. The signal was answered, and soon the message was waved across from mountain to mountain:”

    “Hold the fort; I am coming. W. T. Sherman.” Cheers went up; every man was nerved to a full appreciation of the position; and under a murderous fire, which killed or wounded more than half the men in the fort—Corse himself being shot three times through the head, and Tourtelotte taking command, though himself badly wounded—they held the” fort for three hours until the advance guard of Sherman’s army came up. French was obliged to retreat.”

    This historical incident was related by Major Whittle at a Sunday-school meeting in Rockford, Illinois, in May, 1870. Mr. Bliss was present, and the song ”Hold the Fort” was at once born in his mind.

    Tune by Philip P. Bliss

    We meet today in freedom’s cause
    And raise our voices high;
    We’ll join our hands in union strong
    To battle or to die.

    Chorus:
    Hold the fort for we are coming.
    Union men, be strong!
    Side by side we battle onward;
    Victory will come.

    Look, my comrades, see the union
    Banners waving high.
    Reinforcements now appearing,
    Victory is nigh.

    See our numbers still increasing;
    Hear the bugle blow.
    By our union we shall triumph
    Over every foe.

    Fierce and long the battle rages
    But we will not fear.
    Help will come whene’er it’s needed.
    Cheer, my comrades, cheer.

    Chorus:
    Hold the fort for we are coming.
    Union men, be strong!
    Side by side we battle onward;
    Victory will come.

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  25. By Julian Ceres on

    That moment when the most American naval ship, the st Louis faces off against the savioe Battleship at close range and the st Louis gets to go full broadside…

    Captain of savioe be like “oh shit…”

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    1. By Duke Saxon on

      St. Louis was not really an exceptional ship in any regard. Not to mention that she’d have a very difficult time damaging, let alone sinking Savoie. St. Louis didn’t even have torpedoes, and was only two knots faster. I don’t see such an engagement ending well for St. Louis, in World of Warships or in reality.

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    2. By Alexey Shiro on

      //

      That moment when the most American naval ship, the st Louis faces off against the savioe Battleship at close range and the st Louis gets to go full broadside…

      Captain of savioe be like “oh shit…”
      //

      And then the “Savoie” tear the “St Louis” apart.

      Really, Ceres, this isn’t “World of Warships”. 6-inch guns of “St Louis” wouldn’t even dent “Savoie” belt plates. And she have a LARGE armored area. She have two streaks of armor above her main belt, armored casemates for secondaries, three armored decks on different levels. She is nearly immune to medium-size HE.

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        1. By Alexey Shiro on

          Please. The 6-inch AP rounds could penetrate 4 inch of armor at the very most and almost on point-blank range. The “Bretagne”-class – as “Savoie” – simply do not have armor less than 6 inches thick.

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  26. By Joe Thorsky on

    All Hands. All Hands!
    “The Haunting Lamp is now Lit!”
    “The Haunting Lamp is now LIt!”

    “I Ain’t Superstitious” -Howling Wolf/ Best of the Blues Vol. 2

    Ship-shaping and Squared Away!
    Timing it back to Square one

    In mankind’s feeble and for(lore)n attempts at
    resquaring the circle/reencircling the square,
    just how can-do you lose an Iron Mountain?
    The Hows & Whys and The matter(transporter?) of Where or When
    is it now, still remains an open and an (un-re)solved mystery.
    Weather coming from the lonely distant bleating sounds of a mournfull foghorn or that of an ear-splitting whaling beckoning siren’s call from a lookout of
    “There She Goes!”:

    Alpha
    “The Iron Mountain was in excess of 180 feet in length, with a beam of thirty-five feet.In addition to carrying passengers, she towed freight barges. The vessel’s calliope could be heard long before the smoke from her belching stacks could be seen as she approached various towns of call. And wherever she called, a holiday atmosphere reigned. ”
    “In June 1874 the Iron Mountain cast off from her warf at Vicksburg and set off for New Orleans. She was carrying fifty-seven passengers and towing a string of barges. As she reached midstream and approached a bend, the pilot gave a long blast on the steamboat’s whistle. The Iron Mountain rounded the bend and was
    never seen again.”
    “The barges were found with the tow ropes cut clean through. No trace of wreckage from the big steamer or dead bodies were ever found. The paddle steamer Iron Mountain had simply vanished. Hundreds of miles of river bottom were dragged without success.”
    “Other riverboats steaming upstream should have passed Iron Mountain. None reported seeing her. Except for a few deep holes that were thoroughly dredged, there was no water deep enough to completely cover the huge vessel. Had she been wrecked or
    burned, there would have been bodies and debris. There appears to be no earthly explanation for the disappearance of the Iron Mountain.”

    Note:
    “Eleven months after the Iron Mountain disappeared forever, another palatial Mississippi River paddle-wheel vessel The Mississippi Queen cast off from Memphis on April 17, 1873.
    Like the ill-fated Iron Mountain, her destination was New Orleans. She was last seen shortly before midnight, about twelve hours after her departure. Then she, too, vanished without a trace down on the Mississippi River.” pp-224-5

    Excerpted Passages from Ghost Ships- Richard Winer,
    Berkley Books July 2000

    Beta
    “On the night of february 28, 1942, the United States Heavy Cruiser Houston and the Australian heavy cruiser Perth were streaming through the Sundra Strait. The Gallant ships were on a voyage of doom, for they were en route to engage a vastly superior
    Japanese naval force consisting of no less than three cruisers and ten torpedo equipped destroyers. Both the Houston and the Perth while steaming on ahead, were undergoing repairs to damage received in the previous day’s battles.”
    “It was the darkest of dark nights as the two ships passed through the strait.”
    “Suddenly, six strange flare like lights appeared, bobbing in the water alongside the Houston. The flaming yellowish flares resembled the round smoke pots used alongside highway construction sites. The men of the Houston were baffled as they stood at the rail watching the strange lights. If they were some sort of new Japanese device for illuminating enemy ships, they had never been used before. The officers and men aboard the big cruiser were justifiably concerned, for somewhere in the darkness ahead lay the enemy fleet.”
    “The crews of the two ships felt relieved as they left the strange water lights behind. But their relief was not to last. Minutes later another cluster of lights suddenly flared up alongside the ships. Then another. As each group of flares was left astern, another cluster would suddenly flare up alongside the ships. Even after a deliberate change of course, the floating flares continued to glow alongside the cruisers. The men aboard the two Allied ships were completely mystified by the uncanny phenomenon. And horrified, for their ships, silhouetted by the yellow glow of the flares, were perfect targets. Yet they continued on course through the Sundra Strait unmolested.”
    “After a number of anxious moments, the ghoulish jack-o’-lanterns were left behind, as the Houston and Perth steamed on ahead into the welcome darkness.”
    “Just before midnight, after clearing the strait, the Houston and the Perth discovered the Japanese fleet lying at Banten Bay on Java’s northwest coast. It would be the understatement of World War II to say that the two Allied cruisers were outnumbered and outgunned. For instead of the thirteen Japanese ships they had expected, they found themselves engaged in a battle with no less than sixty-nine enemy warships.”…

    “After the occupation of Japan following VJ Day, Allied officers examining the enemy’s weaponry files could find nothing about a device that even remotely resembled a floating yellow flare that would light up at the approach of an enemy ship.” pp 159-62

    Excerpted Passages from Ghost Ships- Richard Winer, Berkley Books July 2000

    Note:
    Ariel, a spirit of the air, appears as Saint Elmo’s Fire
    (aka Corposanto, Jack-o’-Lantern, Hitodama).
    … Whenever it appeared as a single flame, it was supposed
    …to bring ill-luck…
    -William Shakespeaare, The Complete William Shakespeare

    “For sailors have a notion that if the corposant rises in the rigging it is a sign of fair weather, but if it comes lower down there will be a storm”
    -Richard Henry Dana, Two Years Before the Mast

    “Hitodama -(“human soul”) are balls of fire that mainly float in the middle of night. They are said to be “souls of the dead that have separated from their bodies”… “These phenomena are described as balls of flame or light, at times associated with graveyards, “…

    Omega

    Name: UB-65
    Ordered: 20 May 1916 20 May 1916
    Builder: Vulkan Werke, Hamburg
    Yard number: 90
    Launched: 26 June 1917[2]
    Commissioned: 18 August 1917
    Fate: Lost, ~14 July 1918
    General characteristics
    Class and type: German Type UB III submarine
    Displacement:
    508 t (500 long tons) surfaced
    639 t (629 long tons) submerged
    Length: 55.52 m (182 ft 2 in) (o/a)
    Beam: 5.76 m (18 ft 11 in)
    Draught: 3.70 m (12 ft 2 in)
    Propulsion:
    2 × propeller shaft
    2 × MAN four-stroke 6-cylinder diesel engines, 1,050 bhp (780 kW)
    2 × Siemens-Schuckert electric motors, 780 shp (580 kW)
    Speed:
    13.3 knots (24.6 km/h; 15.3 mph) surfaced
    8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) submerged
    Range:
    8,420 nmi (15,590 km; 9,690 mi) at 6 knots (11 km/h; 6.9 mph) surfaced
    55 nmi (102 km; 63 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) submerged
    Test depth: 50 m (160 ft)
    Complement: 3 officers, 31 men
    Armament:
    5 × torpedo tubes (4 bow, 1 stern)
    10 × torpedoes
    1 × 8.8 cm (3.46 in) deck gun

    “It is the subject of many tales of a ghost, said to be the second officer, Lieutenant Richter, who was killed when a torpedo exploded fairly early in the U-boat’s career. Indeed, the building of the ship was plagued by disaster, including of asphyxiation of three crew members by diesel fumes in the engine room and the crushing of two more by a falling girder. While UB-65 was being tested for seaworthiness, one of the crew members was swept overboard when he was inspecting the hatches. He was never seen again. During the first test dive of UB-65, a fracture occurred in a ballast tank, causing the submarine to sink to the bottom of the sea. The crew lacked any means of renewing the oxygen in the vessel and after 12 hours the crew finally managed to raise the submarine to the surface of the ocean. These incidents may have given rise to a belief among the crew that the ship was cursed. As no-one wanted to board or be stationed on the ship, it is believed that the German Imperial Navy called a priest on board to exorcise the ship.”

    “According to United States Navy records it was reported that, whilst returning from patrol and near Fastnet Rock, the U.S. submarine L-2 observed what the captain (named Forster) first took to be a buoy on the horizon. Moving closer, Captain Forster found that it was actually a German submarine, only later to be identified as UB-65. It was listing heavily on the water’s surface, seemingly disabled. Forster guided his sub around it, hoping to line up a torpedo shot. But before he could do so, the crippled vessel was torn apart by a huge explosion. UB-65 rose up on its bows and sank. There were no survivors and no bodies were ever recovered. The sound of small propellers and an underwater signalling device could be heard for a short while after the explosion.”
    “According to one source, the American officer thought he saw someone on deck just before UB-65 went down. It was a figure in a German officer’s overcoat, standing near the bow with folded arms. If this can be believed, Lieutenant Richter may have put in a final appearance”.
    The cause of the explosion was not known.
    Source: WIKI 2 and pp38-39 Ghost Ships-Angus Konstam

    https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=JXbysjINKe8

    Welcome to crew-Joseph!!

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    1. By David B on

      According to researchers George Behe and Michael Goss the stories about hauntings from UB-65 were invented by the journalist Hector Charles Bywater who wrote about the subject. They speculated that Bywater was a good story teller who had invented some of his references such as a post-war pamphlet written by a “Dr. Hecht”. Behe and Goss concluded “Official documents make it extremely difficult to believe that UB-65 was haunted… The responsibility for that rumor-like legend in all its dramatic detail cannot be traced back with any certainty before Hector C. Bywater.

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      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        Davie My Lad

        Becalm yourself a little, and let’s just don’t go
        and antagonize Lieutenant Richter any further than
        is necessary or warranted.

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    2. By Steve White on

      Interesting point about the Mississippi riverboats. An occasional new arrival coming in to what they think is New Orleans, or Baton Rouge, after a violent storm on the river. That might wake up the New Americans, provide them with new technology and new blood, and news of the old America.

      Hmmm…

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      1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

        At this point there is literally no telling what has influenced the NUS. It APPEARS they have retained the military, and many of the social traditions of their 1847 ancestors, but what else might there be?

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        1. By Joe Thorsky on

          The human condition ever remains a mystery wrapped in an enigma- is so true!

          Taylor:
          For the US of 1847
          A welcome arrival of allied military aid and assistance unexpectedly coming in the form of foreign flagged warships transports men and supplies flying under the Russian flag would definitely be an “et tu Brutal” catastrophe in the making for the Lot and their Axis allies both human and those not so very.
          A Matter of fact transporter of Naval units derived from the “Russian Aid for the Yankees”, that very sizeable Russian fleet of Czar Alexander II’s of Russia which were anchored in New York Harbor and other Union ports of call during the winter of 1863-64, to the Destroyersmen’s universe could easily overturn the current military balance of power in both the Atlantic and Caribbean theaters.
          Note:
          At that time, there were wild rampant rumors and scuttlebutt of a Treaty of Friendship and Alliance between the Union and Czarist Russia. Any active military intervention by Russia’s navy and its combat employment/ deployment against the Confederate States of America would be contingent to a discounted cash modernization of the Russian fleet with Union built Ironclads, monitors and mortar Schooners.
          Lincoln’s stated admiration of Czarist Russia made such a pact certainly more likely and believable and made more common sense than that of a reincarnated
          Seward’s Folly part deux.

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      2. By Joe Thorsky on

        Steve:

        Amplifying the horizon and your vision a bit
        To see ghostly specters of Union or Confederate of Ironclads, monitors, mortar schooners, floating batteries (shallow draft barges) of cannon/mortars and/or conscripted military transport steamships emerging out of a thick dense fog bank with calliopes and steam whistles blaring everything “Steven Foster” would be a very unsettling event for anyone
        there to witness to or try to comprehend and understand.
        A future entering the past is just bad form and timing in any pre-industrial revolution-post transprehistoric time period.

        Lost or battle damaged Union or Confederate naval units that
        could suddenly materialize from:

        Island No. 10
        “Pope persuaded Flag Officer Andrew Hull Foote to send a gunboat past the batteries, to assist him in crossing the river by keeping off any Southern gunboats and suppressing Confederate artillery fire at the point of attack. The USS Carondelet, under Commander Henry Walke, slipped past the island on the night of April 4, 1862. This was followed by the USS Pittsburg, under Lieutenant Egbert Thompson two nights later. With the support of these two gunboats, Pope was able to move his army across the river and trap the Confederates opposite the island, who by now were trying to retreat. Outnumbered at least three to one, the Confederates realized their situation was hopeless and decided to surrender”…

        Because April 7 was the second day of the far bloodier Battle of Shiloh, the campaign for Island No. 10 soon fell from public notice. It has become memorable principally for the run of USS Carondelet past the batteries, whose passage marked the introduction of a new tactic in warfare. The use of steam for driving ships meant that they no longer had to slug it out with fixed forts. The tactic later became commonplace in the Civil War, being employed by Farragut at New Orleans, Port Hudson, Vicksburg, and Mobile, and by David D. Porter at Vicksburg. Consequently, the value of fixed fortifications was much diminished.”

        Grand Gulf
        “Admiral Porter led seven ironclads in an attack on the fortifications and batteries at Grand Gulf, Mississippi, with the intention of silencing the Confederate guns and then securing the area with troops of McClernand’s XIII Corps who were on the accompanying transports and barges. The attack by the seven ironclads began at 8 a.m. and continued until about 1:30 p.m. During the fight, the ironclads moved within 100 yards of the Confederate guns and silenced the lower batteries of Fort Wade. The Confederate upper batteries at Fort Cobun remained out of reach and continued to fire. The Union ironclads (one of which, the Tuscumbia, had been put out of action) and the transports drew off. After dark, however, the ironclads engaged the Confederate guns again while the steamboats and barges ran the gauntlet. Grant marched his men overland across Coffee Point to below the Gulf. After the transports had passed Grand Gulf, they embarked the troops at Disharoon’s plantation and disembarked them on the Mississippi shore at Bruinsburg, below Grand Gulf. Grant landed 17,000 soldiers there, the largest amphibious operation in American military history until the Invasion of Normandy.”

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        1. By Steve White on

          Great historical notes and thanks for that!

          Yes, any of these forces emerging from the fog to find themselves in the NUS would have a profound effect, and that would go in both directions.

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  27. By donald johnson on

    Not mine but the author charles simpson cannot get here
    General Esshk, The Cooser and a common ull walk into a bar. The Esshk orders a whisky, and when the bar ull hands him his change, he shoots the money.
    “Why did you do that?” asks the Chooser.
    “As Protector I have too much money,” Esshk says.
    So The Chooser orders a beer, drinks it, then shoots the drip tray under the pumps.
    “Why did you do that?” asks Esshk.
    “As Chooser I notice we have too many unproductive drains on society.”
    The ull thinks really hard, then orders a glass of vodka. When he’s finished, he shoots himself.

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      1. By matthieu on

        Nope, he’s just discovering what Trump is really. Hu hu hu. (and yes, it was a troll-grenade).

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        1. By Lou Schirmer on

          Like any one else on this planet has any room to brag about their politicians…

          Reply
          1. By donald johnson on

            Glad that Taylor is backing in my feeling that we should keep politics off this board. this is a board about a book series not about President politics.

        2. By donald johnson on

          No politics here please. There’s enough of this bull crap answer

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          1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            Indeed. And never forget that even good-natured banter is easily misunderstood in print. We’ve already proven that people can be friends regardless of their political views–so for the umpteenth time, let’s not let those views damage that.
            This may sound simplistic, but I learned growing up that there were a few simple (expandable) subjects never to criticize in your friends–until you grow close enough that sharp banter no longer cuts:
            Listed in approximate order of importance:

            Courage
            Parentage
            Veracity
            Work Ethic
            Religion
            Choice of: trucks, dogs, horses, and caliber of firearm one took to the woods(these could get particularly prickly since they represented treasured gifts or simply what one could scrape up to afford–thus reflecting back on parentage or work ethic).
            Choice of girlfriends, foods, music, clothes, entertainers and sports figures, hats–and virtually anything that seems so important to kids today–were all fair game.

            Politics was at the bottom of the list, but you didn’t criticize that either until you were close enough to (still laughingly) call your pal a lying, lazy, chickenshit bastard whose truck was tired scrap, his horse a useless nag, his dog the stupidest, laziest mutt in the woods, and his rifle about as deadly as a green willow switch. (Remember we’re talking about the quality of the evening meal depending on what everyone brings back to camp).
            A suitable rebuff might be “burn in hell, Commie rat.”
            All taboo subjects have thus been broached and you are either bleeding–or surrounded by laughing friends closer than brothers. See? Simple.

          2. By matthieu on

            That’s interesting, we don’t really have the same list as the culture is different. For example I’ve been working with some people for 10 years and I don’t even know if they are married or have children. :)

            Talking about religion, I’m pastafarian (reformed with pineapple)

          3. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            Well sure, Matthieu, but we’ve had that discussion before. Granted, my essay was a little tongue in cheek, but the biggest difference is the definition of “friend,” and how loosely that term is used. The context of “friend” can change as well. There are “friends” who I’m perfectly happy to do or discuss all aspects of certain things with but who I’d never dream of including in other activities or discussions. I’d count those in the dozens. I have hundreds of “buddies,” who I’m happy to hang out with and engage in fun conversations–but I’d never let them dance with my wife or handle one of my weapons :) At least not until they graduated to “friend” from “buddy.” Then again, the number of people who can ridicule my truck, say mean things about my dog, or call my honor into question–and live–can be counted on one hand, and I’d trust them with my life. (Obviously still tongue-in-cheek, but you get my drift).

          4. By Justin on

            Yeah, political talk on the internet NEVER ends well.

            Nevertheless, it’s pretty interesting how taboo topics vary from culture to culture. For example:

            youtube.com/watch?v=_ZHrSK0l3dY

  28. By David B on

    General Esshk, The Cooser and a common ull walk into a bar. The Esshk orders a whisky, and when the bar ull hands him his change, he shoots the money.
    “Why did you do that?” asks the Chooser.
    “As Protector I have too much money,” Esshk says.
    So the Chooser orders a beer, drinks it, then shoots the drip tray under the pumps.
    “Why did you do that?” asks Esshk.
    “As Chooser I notice we have too many unproductive drains on society.”
    The ull thinks really hard, then orders a glass of vodka. When he’s finished, he shoots himself.

    Posted for Charles Simpson because he is having trouble getting on here.

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    1. By donald johnson on

      I guess I should have looked before I reposted the same item

      Reply
  29. By Julian ceres on

    That moment when a ship crew sees the North Carolina class battleship appear out of nowhere…

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      1. By David B on

        World of Warships, I think. I know I was surprised in a destroyer when I rounded an island and found myself bow on to a north Carolina. Pulled a hard turn to starboard, hit the engine boost, popped smoke, an launched a full spread of torps. Left him on really low health because he dodged a good portion of them, but a friendly Friedrich der Große DELETED him from the game with a couple of citadel hits.

        God I love my Tin Cans.

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  30. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor Everyone

    From the Website:
    US Merchant Marine
    http://www.usmm.org/index.html#anchor252856

    Out of the Muster Roll of History
    Let us do memorialize, give honor to, and also celebrate the
    almost forgotten humanity of other rather extraordinary men who
    in the same caliber of DR. Martin Luther King Jr have also awakened
    and stirred the aspirational and inspirational nature of our collaborative existence as a free and just people.
    Men such as:

    James Forten, African-American Privateer

    “James Forten (1766-1843) was a 15 year-old powder boy on the privateer Royal Louis, commanded by Stephen Decatur, Sr. He was born free in Philadelphia and had already served as a drummer in the Continental Army.
    The Royal Louis had a crew of 200, 20 of them African-Americans. During her first cruise as a privateer she captured a British Navy brig. On her second cruise she met the heavily armed British frigate Amphylon and two others, and was forced to surrender.
    Young James Forten expected to be sold into slavery in the West Indies, as was British custom with their black prisoners of war. However, on board the Amphylon he was befriended by the captain’s son, a boy his age, who persuaded his father to send Forten to England. Forten refused to be a traitor to his country, and the captain sent him to the prison-ship Jersey along with a letter asking he be treated kindly and exchanged if possible.
    Forten spent 7 months on the Jersey sharing moldy bread and foul water with a thousand other privateers. Once, he had a chance to escape by hiding in the baggage of an officer being exchanged for a British prisoner, but he allowed a younger white boy to take the space. Forten helped carry the chest off the Jersey. He was set free in an exchange of prisoners and walked home from New York to Philadelphia, where he became a successful businessman and a founder of the Abolitionist movement.”

    John Davis & John Johnson
    January 1, 1813 letter from Nathaniel Shaler,
    Commander of the privateer Schooner General Tompkins to his agent:

    “Before I could get our light sails in, and almost before I could turn round, I was under the guns, not of a transport, but of a large frigate! and not more than a quarter of a mile from her. . . Her first broadside killed two men, and wounded six others. . . My officers conducted themselves in a way that would have done honor to a more permanent service. . .
    The name of one of my poor fellows who was killed ought to be registered in the book of fame, and remembered with reverence as long as bravery is considered a virtue. He was a black man, by the name of John Johnson. A twenty-four pound shot struck him in the hip, and took away all the lower part of his body. In this state, the poor brave fellow lay on the deck, and several times exclaimed to his shipmates, ‘Fire away, my boy: no haul a color down.’
    The other was also a black man, by the name of John Davis, and was struck in much the same way. He fell near me, and several times requested to be thrown overboard, saying he was only in the way of others.”
    ‘When America has such tars, she has little to fear from the tyrants of the ocean.’

    From: The Negro in the American Rebellion, by William Wells Brown, Lee and Shepard, Boston, 1867

    More Citations From: The Age of Fighting Sail/Chris Brady

    The Lesson of Legacy
    “Great ideas, inspiring vision, noble causes, when communicated and lived with passion from a Lever 4 or Level 5 Leader, take on a life of their own. Small ideas and dull vision wither and fade away.”….
    “Leadership is about far more than you can accomplish alone. It’s about what you can cause to be accomplished with or without your physical presence.”….
    “Great Leadership isn’t how bright you shine. It’s how well you ignite a fire in other people and make them shine. This is how you make a big difference. This is how you change the world.This is how you leave an enduring legacy.”-The Lesson of Legacy pp 248-50

    The Lesson of Culture
    “A Leader’s primary role is to shape culture and hold the organization accountable to it. The Leader is responsible for communicating to the team how critical the shared values are-not just through his or her words but,more importantly, through his or her actions. When people buy into the core values and see the leader living them, they are inspired to follow suit. They take pride in their shared identity. They strive to live up to the standards. Few things are harder to change in an organization than culture-and few thing will give you greater leverage and influence.” -The Lesson of Culture pp 203-4

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  31. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor-Steve-Guys

    The idea of using Destroyermen Recruiting posters may have
    a lot of very innovative potential that could be used as either
    a powerful marketing/advertising tool or as an inducement.
    Positioned on the backside of the dust jacket or possibly even
    as individual chapter dividers within Taylor’s books would just
    be visually be so very cool!
    Further exploration may be needed.

    Prose for a Destroyermen Recruitment Poster
    aka Rose the Riveter jpg

    Don’t you now fret,
    At being et just yet,
    For a Warship built & launched in a day,
    Will Keep those Domn Axis LOT & their Nipping Allies at bay,
    And to all those especially fat and royalty rich gourmet Grik Dinos,
    Who do so like to marinate us humans and cats all in their fine winos,
    Harkin! Every lad,lass and you cats who do so yearn to be all free,
    An edible part of their potential food chain don’t ever you be!

    JOIN YOUR LOCAL CLAN CHAPTER OF
    “THE LADIES GUNBOAT SOCIETY” (1)
    OR ITS SISTER AFFILIATE “THE KITTY CAT HOME SOCIETY” TODAY!

    Ghost Ships, Gales and Forgotten Tales- Wes Oleszewski
    Avoy Color Studios Marquette, Michigan 1995

    Eulogy for Walker
    “What followed was one of te oddest and most unexplained events”…..
    As the Walker approached the position where her captain wished to begin stopping her, he rang the cadburn to “stop.” then to “reverse.” The boat, however, started ahead full. Repeatedly ringing the engine telegraph to reverse, the Walker’s master did everything in his power to stop her.”
    “As if having a mind of its own”…
    ” just charged ahead and slammed into the gates. Exploding from their hinges the lock gates released a cascade of water reminiscent of Noah. The 20 foot wall of water blasted over the the (2)Walker’s fo’c’sle and stopped her cold,”…

    1. “Patriotic women in several port cities of the South formed societies to raise funds for the construction of IRONCLADS. The first were established in 1861 in New Orleans, and others arose across the South. Three Confederate ironclads The Charlestown, Friedericksburg and the Georgia were built with these funds and were informally known as the “Ladies Gunboats.”…
    Civil War Dictionary Cumberland House Publishing Web Garrison
    2. (Perry G.) Surprised!!?

    More Numbers

    BC-An abbreviation for “Brigade Commissary,” which was customarily stamped on hardtack containers. Soldiers claimed that it indicated the unpalatible staple had been prepared
    “Before Christ.”

    By the Nines-The series of stages by which soldiers prepared a musket or rifle to fire.

    Forty Dead Men- A federal Soldiers allotment of forty cartridges prior to going into battle.

    Forty Rod-the worst possible whiskey rumored to be lethal at a distance of forty rods.

    7-Knots-A tradition that required a hangman to tie seven knots in a noose to be used to execute a woman.

    Show of Heads-A challenge to an enemy made by having the men in the trenches or some other protected position show their heads just high enough to invite fire.

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  32. By Joseph R. Ravitts on

    I may be missing something. I didn’t see any place where I had to register to be able to comment here, but I’m not sure my earlier comment was ever accepted. Anyway, I’m a recent recruit, but in just a few weeks I’ve read most of the series. I think my favorite characters are Mallory, Gray, Chack of course, Tabby, Lawrence and Shinya.

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    1. By Clifton Sutherland on

      Welcome to the Cult- I mean, the fandom! Glad to have you!

      Reply
      1. By donald johnson on

        Agggggg. . . He called us a cult. . . Does that rank us with those other deadbeat cults ? 😉

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        1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

          Eeewww! Not a cult! I prefer “Loose association of loosely associated loose associates!”

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          1. By Lou Schirmer on

            That sounds too loose screwed to me, Lautrec.

          2. By matthieu on

            Welcome. Well, you have many people in the cult.

            Don’t be afraid if people are a little bit strange or if their English is really weird.

            Clifton if the local door keeper. I run the wine cellar. Justin checks the clock (because he’s Just-in time) and Alexey says strangs things in russian.

      2. By Justin on

        Please, we are in no way a cult. That’s a group of socially-isolated deviants with weird interests, devoted to an obscure text and led by a charismatic leader who frequently asks for our money…

        … Uh-oh.

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        1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

          As I’ve said before, it is always amusing how mere word arrangement can change perceived meaning. My favorite example is that “loose goats” doesn’t sound nearly as malevolent as “goats on the loose.” Both are equally destructive, but the latter just seems so much more descriptive of the evil they are capable of. Anyone who has ever had to endure goats will understand . . .

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  33. By Steve White on

    Fun little conversation over on the Facebook side about propaganda posters that would be appropriate in the Destroyermen world. Charles Simpson has one that looks like fun. So to spark some conversation, we might think about what kinds of propaganda the Allies would be using in the war against the Grik — posters, images, books, pamphlets, perhaps movies if the boys are making strip film in quantity (???).

    I don’t think Lemurians would need motivation to fight the Grik — when the consequence of failure is to be eaten, you have plenty of motivation. So what kinds of propaganda would the Alliance need?

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    1. By Justin on

      Well, there’s been talk (in this board) of war weariness toward the League and Dommies – “our fight’s with the Grik, why not leave those people to fight each other?” Some printouts illustrating Blood Drinker atrocities or the League Armée goosestepping through Baalkpan might do the trick.

      At the very least, they need a “loose lips sink ships” campaign. Radio silence (or at least a proper cipher) would save future task forces, and general silence would hinder potential espionage.

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    2. By Joseph R. Ravitts on

      I beg pardon from anyone who thinks I should say this elsewhere, but I’m not sure where “elsewhere” would be. I only just now found this site, and I’m bursting to tell Mister Anderson that I’m a Navy veteran and I love his work! I wish I had had Bosun Gray as Chief of the Boat on my old submarine! And I identify with reviewers who say the saga absorbs them; one of the novels almost made me miss my annual physical yesterday!

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  34. By donald johnson on

    Is it just me or has there been nothing going on here for a few days. Also someone was thinking this website was down

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    1. By Lou Schirmer on

      It’s just you.
      Sometimes there’s just nothing new going on or startling new insights into the DDmen world.
      I came up with a Coke idea last week that fizzled out & there was Justin’s sink the Walker string, but could be everyone’s feeling a bit blah or dealing with snow etc.
      Then there’s that four letter word no one likes to talk about…work.

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        Thank you, kind sir.
        Who knows, maybe Taylor came up with it already, or some thing similar. If not he’s free to use anything I come up with, for the nominal fee of an acknowledgement of my towering genius…or at least low animal cunning.

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        1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

          Low animal cunning will usually save you when towering genius often leaves you staring, baffled, at whatever is fixing to eat you. :) Having a dash of both is probably the best equipment for survival in that situation. Oh, and being armed–which those two traits together will probably insist upon.

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          1. By donald johnson on

            I have always wondered if they found peanuts or something close to make peanut butter with. That is my staple and I can’t live without it :-)

          2. By Lou Schirmer on

            I try not to leave the house without keys, cash, fire & a knife. Going any distance? Add a gun & ammo, a blanket & coat, fuel, food & water.

            DJ, my man! I personally am addicted to peanuts, cocktail, pan or dry roasted, Spanish or beer…got to have my nut. I think they started in South or Central America, so with the DDmen operating there we may see some. Maybe Earl will turn his attention from soft drinks to peanuts.

          3. By donald johnson on

            Then there is peanut butter with chocolate. Company out of New York makes it called “Chocolate Dreams”

        2. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

          Peanut butter is indeed a staple of survival. Obviously, Lou, you are a “low animal genius!” :) How many times, watching movies, do you scream at the TV–“What’s the matter with you??!! Arm yourself, dumbass!”? Believe it or not, the single weapon that has literally saved me more often than any other (usually from rampaging feral hogs, but other unpleasantries as well) is an 1873 Winchester carbine I keep in my truck. (Perfectly legal in Texas). I’ve tried ARs, M-1 carbines, and all manner of things one might consider more appropriate for a “truck gun” but nothing becomes an extension of my will so quickly and easily. My muscle memory absorbs it. Hey, you’re a pilot. I had one of those .22-.410 Air Force “survival” guns. Piece of junk. I gave it to a buddy to keep in his plane–before I found out they were ridiculously worth 6 or 700 bucks! I did not regret it because my buddy actually wound up needing it once, and gave me “Sandra’s” sweet little 1908 Colt in gratitude. Those ARE very nice. I’ve got an identical ’03 model in .32ACP but it doesn’t get used much for obvious reasons. Colt started reproducing them and I can’t imagine why. They cost more than a good original. If they were going to do it, why not an ’08 in .380?

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          1. By William Curry on

            They are planning on making some in 380. These are repros of the WWII issue ones. There were a much larger number of .32 procured and issued by the US Army than there were 380’s. The 380’s went to General officers until they ran out and then started issuing .32’s to the Generals as well. CID, CIC, OSS and couriers got issued the .32’s which were mostly parkerized. The 380’s were blued. Basically the 380’s were what Colt had on hand or the parts for when the War started. They kept making 32’s during the war. I knew a number of people who were issued Colt pocket models during the 50’s and 60’s including some medical personnel both male and female. My experience is that the 32 auto and the 380 do about the same about of damage given the same bullet construction and the 32 has less recoil especially in very light guns. A hit with a 32 beats a miss with a 45.

          2. By Lou Schirmer on

            If you need to stop a hog in a hurry, an AR variant is NOT the way to go. Unless you’re talking an AR-10 or say a .50 Beowulf or .458 SoCom. You need a heavy bullet for a quick stop. A lever gun is good, been meaning to get one myself for a while, but been spending my ill gotten gains on performance car parts lately. Though I do have a decent arsenal. My “Baby” is an old .44 Ruger Redhawk, the best shooting pistol I ever had. The 7.5″ barrel helps, she just goes boom, rocks up & settles back ready to play again. Also have a .303 Enfield, 30-06 Remington, a .45 Para Ordnance (nice), a 9mm Calico w/50 round helical mags (also nice), a Mossberg 12 gauge & a Hi Standard .22.
            As far as AF survival guns go, I’m more familiar with the old AR-7, which is a semi-auto .22 that breaks down to stuff into the plastic stock (which floats). Henry makes a reasonably priced one of those.
            The one you had was the M-6 fold up rifle. Springfield made a replica for a while with an 18″ barrel to make it legal & I think Chiappa is making a variant of that design now with several calibers to choose from.

          3. By Clifton Sutherland on

            I find it amusing how Taylor can relate tales of swapping various firearms between friends, when the most dangerous thing I own is an old pocket knife.

            When it looks like the fan shall be hit by night soil, I might just head on down to Texas. I’ll get firewood or tell puns or something- just keep me alive for a bit and I’ll be grateful!

          4. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            //stopping power and penetrating power may not be the same thing// True, Don, but //large and slow is better at stopping and fast and small is better for penetrating// does not necessarily follow. It is very complicated and there are a number of variables, depending on bullet shape and design, including alloy, and whether it is shaped for expansion, penetration, or both. All things being equal, large and slow is often better for penetration AND “stopping” in my experience. Fast and small tends to over-perform on impact to the detriment of penetration. Fling a pebble at a pane of glass as fast as you can. It might put a chink in it. Then lob a brick at it and the pane will break. On the other hand, let’s just say “all things being equal” means FMJ ball ammo. A .30-06 and .50BMG both have similar MVs to a 5.56, but both will carry farther, retaining much greater energy, and penetrate much deeper. Big and slow, say a cast lead 450grn .50-80 in Destroyermen terms, doesn’t have to “perform” much to match the optimum performance of a small, high performance, high velocity bullet because it is already making a half-inch hole at impact. But with the right alloy, it does perform, expanding as it churns deep into the target and causing catastrophic loss of blood pressure after the HV/HP bullet has done its worst and dumped all its energy in a grim but shallow wound. Other than a shattered spine, for example, catastrophic loss of blood pressure is what truly “stops” large, dangerous boogers that are somewhat immune to the hydrostatic shock that high velocity can bring to the game. Hmm. I hesitate to use too many real-life examples, turning this into a “hunting stories” forum, but one problem with discussing all this in theory is that paper ballistics, as reported in manuals using a series of figures to predict performance, rarely fully reflect flesh and bone ballistics. The old loads and guns were far more effective than the “paper ballistics” might lead you to believe. The range of their effectiveness was primarily limited by the fact that their low velocity and arched trajectory made repeatable long-range accuracy problematic without a talented marksman with known ranges behind the trigger. Up close, say within 200 yards, repeatable accuracy was not hard to achieve by common marksmen and the weight energy and diameter of the bigger, slower projectile will still largely compensate for the velocity energy of smaller, faster bullets.

          5. By donald johnson on

            I always did think that’s an old stainless steel silver hog leg 44 Magnum what’s better than a 45 1911 but that’s only because of its greater muzzle velocity. But all in all I still don’t think that I would want to get in front of either one

          6. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            It generally is. Considerably higher velocity AND–probably–a heavier bullet. .45ACP standard is 230grn ball. .44mag 240grn jacketed SP will hammer things a lot harder. The primary advantage of the 1911 is higher magazine capacity and much quicker reload.

          7. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            Clifton, puns–and humor of all kinds–are just as important as anything else in stressful situations! :)

          8. By matthieu on

            Talking about stopping power I know a real history about a German sniper who was really a pain at a specific spot along the lines in 1917. As he was obviously using armored spots a solution had to be found. A 320mm solution. Efficient one.

        3. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

          Indeed. We have a few .223 loads that stop pigs amazingly well, but it was a “what if?” scientific exercise. For serious business I prefer .45-75, .50-70, or .50-95 (all in 1876 Winchesters). Pigs don’t like them at all. I agree re .32 & .380 ball. You can get significantly better performance from .380 with a little imaginative tinkering. Interestingly, the best performance I’ve been getting lately (even with things like .380)is from round nose flat points with big meplats. They slow down fast and are not suited for flat trajectories at long range, but they are really hard on what they hit–especially with carefully mixed alloys that promote penetration and performance.

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          1. By donald johnson on

            So from what you are saying is that you want stopping power and that stopping power and penetrating power may not be the same thing. large and slow is better at stopping and fast and small is better for penetrating. FMJ is better for penetrating and wadcutters are better for stopping due to expansion after contact

          2. By William Curry on

            What everybody is talking about is called “Mechanism of collapse” and how long that takes. Brain and/or central nervous system (spine or brain stem) hits generally result in rapid collapse. The other common mechanism is lost blood flow to the brain resulting in the shutting down of the recticular activating system of the brain (the part that keeps you conscious). How long this can take is greatly variable. A sudden massive loss of BP due to a large temporary cavity (stretch cavity) intersecting and rupturing the left ventricle of the heart or the ascending aorta will generally but not always result in a sudden loss of consciousness. Bullet placement, assuming adequate energy and adequate penetration to a vital area of the body, is more important that exactly what cartridge or bullet you used. Remember too that were are dealing with biological organisms which vary greatly and the answers we get from the studies of wound ballistics are statistical predictions not absolutes. The typical presentation of a bipedal person in a shooting scenario is different from the typical presentation of a quadrupedal animal and the penetration requirements are different and size does matter. The penetration requirements for a white tail deer and an Elephant are very different.

  35. By Joe Thorsky on

    All Hands. All Hands!
    “The Haunting Lamp is Lit!” “The Haunting Lamp is LIt!”
    From Jan de Hartzog’s The Call of the Sea

    “The best stories of shiver-hungry mankind are told on board
    ships. The ideal setting is a stormy night, lashed with rain,
    riding at anchor in the lee of some headland.
    The gale will shriek in the rigging, the anchor chain will
    grind and squeak in the hawse-hole, the oil-lamp will flap
    its bat wings of shadows, and from time to time a swishing
    wave will hiss past outside. The suitable atmosphere is created
    by trying to make a stool turn, as the table is bolted to the
    floor. The advantage of a stool is that the sitters can join
    fingers on a shorter circumference, so that the stool will turn
    quite satisfactorily with as few as three mediums. The first
    question should be, ”Ghost, art thou with us?” after which
    the bosun’s belch should be ignored. The spirit should then
    be asked to agree to the following signals: one tap for yes,
    two taps for no, and a rapid succession of taps for “delete the
    foregoing.” Letters of the alphabet are indicated by numbers.
    Turning stools, under circumstances as described above,
    always succeeds. Interesting information about one’s family
    can be collected this way, until the moment comes in which
    the spirits succumb to the temptation of jocularity. Then
    the time has come for stories.
    The young sailor will be surprised, and lose a considerable
    amount of sleep, once he has been helped to a generous dose
    o’ ghost-stories of the sea. Phantom vessels, dead captains
    coming back, vampire rats, and deserted windjammers sail-
    ing a steady course are the traditional subjects. What is more,
    they might?! indeed have happened; there is something about
    the sea that favours the development of man’s sixth sense. I
    have never sailed on a ship where there was not at least one
    genuine medium on board, or so brilliant an imitation of the
    real thing that detection became niggardly. Cooks have fre-
    quent dreams of prediction, many of which come true. How
    much of this is supernatural or sheer insight into human
    nature is impossible to make out; the result is impressive.
    As to ghost-stories proper: ships’ carpenters and, in the old
    days, sailmakers are the experts. Any ship’s carpenter will, if
    sufficiently pandered to, come out with a collection of horror
    tales that will beat anything printed on the subject. After a
    (cursedly) good session of ghost-stories, the young sailor may
    start seeing vague shapes in shadowy corners, and the thought
    may occur to him that the ship is haunted. He need not fear?!?”
    (too Much).

    Great Caesar’s Ghost or is it Socrates’?/Plato’s?/Aristotle’s?!!
    A GHOST-STORY for 2017 ???…..

    Recent events aboard the USS Mahan DDG-72 do seem to suggest that there has been a serious infestation of spirits/ghosts detached and on TDY/Leave? from their namesake ship DD-103. Providing otherworldly spiritual aid, assistance and guidance (Such Posthumous Behavior!) to members of its current human crew especially during their most recent of deployments and encounters in the Gulf of Hormuz is a living/dead example of exemplary conduct and professionalism that is so prized and representative of the finest and best traditions of both Naval Services (Here and Where.).
    This is a mysti(c) example of being conjoined at the ship?(Ouch!)

    But Lads, the Scariest Horror story of all is the spectere of having all of Taylors future prospective Destroyermen Novels published in an unrecognized language that is totally undecipherable and unreadable.
    Oh, The Terror!!!!
    Oh, The Horror!!!!
    Was it, is it, only a bad dream after all???
    Anybody know of a good reliable Soothsayer way-way out there?

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  36. By Justin on

    “For the conclusion of the series, Walker should sink and stay sunk.”

    Discuss.

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    1. By donald johnson on

      Should that happen I would just have to stop reading the series and that would ruin my whole day

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      1. By Justin on

        That’s the thing, it’s a suggestion for the last/second last novel in the series.

        Personally, I’m not for or against, just observing that it’d be a nice bookend… and that DD-163’s nine lives are bound to run out eventually.

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        1. By donald johnson on

          Well if it’s the last book in the series why would I continue to read 😉

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  37. By Clifton Sutherland on

    Anybody know of good miniature rules that detail smaller, tactical engagements of the sort you might see in the Napoleonic Wars? How about ones that are even more small scale and mobile, like American Indian conflicts?

    Me and my brother had some little 1:72 scale Alamo figures lying around and thought about making a rule set to simulate a battle. Then I decided “hey, this could easily be reworked to show the first war between the 1847 Americans and the Dominion”. I was hoping there was some template I could work from. Any ideas?

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    1. By Joe Thorsky on

      Clifton

      The Company Avalon Hill sold a variety of board type games
      of the kind you are referencing. There was also a monthly
      magazine for game enthusiasts that the company promoted.
      Range of games and types covered all historical periods
      and geographical locations. You might be able to acquire
      the games or the magazine on ebay or other comparable sites
      at cost that are affordable.
      ope this is of help to you.

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      1. By Clifton Sutherland on

        Thanks, Joe. I have a few folio games by decision games, but I’ve been meaning to expand my wargaming holdings. I’ll definitely check it out!

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      1. By Clifton Sutherland on

        Oh yes, I already have about 60 hours in that game. And another 200 in the first one! 10/10 for anyone looking to get into strategy games!

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  38. By Joe Thorsky on

    Clifton-Taylor-Alexey- Everyone

    Jeese/ Wow!!
    Such thought provoking clash of philosophies ideologies and beliefs!
    Even after all of our “Bomb Shelter” philosophies, ideologies, beliefs and pontifications, in the end it all comes down to how each of us conducts and comport ourselves in our everyday actions. How we individually and collectively address the ultimate question of our existence.
    “He is alive. That’s all.” -It is so determinitive of who we are and what we will become.

    “It all Comes Down to YOU.”- Requiem of the Mesquite/Lee Murdock

    Courage Under Fire/Wiley Sword
    “Mankind’s ability to reason based upon education, logic, common sense, and experience is foremost in the management of the future so far as the quality of our existance is concerned. Thus the role of courage. Change is involved in the progress of any society, and it often takes courage to enact fundamental change, which is typically sought for the purpose of our mutual betterment.”

    An Off Topic Note:
    Some reference sites and information that should be of some help in preparing for Taylor’s next installment. Circumstances that could see the return of the traditional role/mission of the Destroyer as airpower and air supremacy begins to foreshadow and assert itself as a dominating force to be reckoned with in Taylor’s battlefield environment.

    1 Identifying Sailing Ships
    http://www.phillyseaport.org/images/Identifying%20Sailing%20Ships%20-%20Guide.pdf

    2 Flight Aerobatics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobatic_maneuver
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_fighter_maneuvers

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  39. By Joe Thorsky on

    Clifton-Taylor-Alexey- Everyone

    Jeese/ Wow!!
    Such thought provoking clash of philosophies ideologies and beliefs!
    Even after all of our “Bomb Shelter” philosophies, ideologies, beliefs and pontifications, in the end it all comes down to how each of us conducts and comport ourselves in our everyday actions. How we individually and collectively address the ultimate question of our existence.
    “He is alive. That’s all.” -It is so deterministive of who we are and what we will become.

    “You know, if
    one person, just one person does it they may think he’s really sick and they won’t take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they’re both aggots and they won’t take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singing a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walking out. They may think it’s an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singing a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it’s a movement. And that’s what it is , the Alice’s Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come’s around on the guitar.With feeling. So we’ll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and sing it when it does. Here it comes.

    You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
    You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
    Walk right in it’s around the back
    Just a half a mile from the railroad track
    You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
    Alice’s Restaurant/Arlo Gutherie

    “It all Comes Down to YOU.”- Requiem of the Mesquite/ Lee Murdock

    Courage Under Fire/Wiley Sword
    “Mankind’s ability to reason based upon education, logic, common sense, and experience is foremost in the management of the future so far as the quality of our existance is concerned. Thus the role of courage. Change is involved in the progress of any society, and it often takes courage to enact fundamental change, which is typically sought for the purpose of our mutual betterment.”

    Off Topic Note:
    Some reference sites and information that should be of some help in preparing for Taylor’s next installment. Circumstances that could see the return of the traditional role/mission of the Destroyer as airpower and air supremacy begins to foreshadow and assert itself as a dominating force to be reckoned with in Taylor’s battlefield environment.

    1 Identifying Sailing Ships
    http://www.phillyseaport.org/images/Identifying%20Sailing%20Ships%20-%20Guide.pdf

    2 Flight Aerobatics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobatic_maneuver
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_fighter_maneuvers

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    1. By Alexey Shiro on

      //Some reference sites and information that should be of some help in preparing for Taylor’s next installment. Circumstances that could see the return of the traditional role/mission of the Destroyer as airpower and air supremacy begins to foreshadow and assert itself as a dominating force to be reckoned with in Taylor’s battlefield environment. //

      I’m not sure, what do you mean. The traditional (original) role of the destroyer was to destroy the enemy torpedo boat (actually, she is correctly named a “torpedo boat destroyer”), and escort the fleet in heavy seas.

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        And the second major role introduced in WW1 was anti-submarine warfare. The anti-aircraft role came 20 years later during WW2 when aircraft were developed enough to be a lethal threat to surface ships.

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      2. By Justin on

        Right. Throughout the 20th, DDs were there to launch torpedoes and deter the enemy’s – capital ships provided the main anti-air screen. It’s only now with the phasing out of battleships/cruisers and the scope creep of the destroyer that you see DDs providing the main line of defence.

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      3. By Clifton Sutherland on

        I think in you mean a return to the duties that the WW2 destroyers would have been seeing in our timeline?

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        1. By Justin on

          Yeah, I think the word Joe’s looking for is “contemporary.” Modern DDGs are indeed jack-of-all-trades point defence vessels… World War DDs, not so much.

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  40. By Charles Simpson on

    Taylor Anderson on his Facebook page that 2017 is the year we’ll see the 100th anniversary of the US joining in WW I. Next year will mark both USS Walker’s and USS Mahan’s 100th birthday. USS Mahan was launched August 18 1918, and USS Walker was launched September 14, 1918 in our timeline.

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  41. By Lou Schirmer on

    I have to think old Earl’s probably a bit glum right now. Everyone’s getting promoted or making good money. Even the mice are doing good with their dino piss cigarettes. He’s probably sitting there staring at the coke machine rattling futiley away cooling nothing wondering how he can get a piece of the action, when a light bulb moment occurs.
    Sailors at sea in the USN clan can’t drink booze, but they CAN drink anything else…say a cola of some sort. It would be a nice change from “green foam coffee” & water aboard ship. Soft drinks are basically soda water & a syrup mix of various ingredients. Soda water is fairly easy to make & you can experiment with the syrups/concentrates. A lemonade syrup could make a decent Sprite or Fanta. Back then someone should know the ingredients for say Root Beer. Coca Cola is even possible since they’re operating in South America now & that’s where coca plants grow (hopefully they’re there in their AU also). It would even still be “The Real Thing” since they may not know how to remove the cocaine from the leaves.
    There’s the issue of bottling it under pressure, but it’s easy enough to make a capping machine, or they could go with a reuseable cap like the European beers with their hinged ceramic flip top. Sealing the bottle in either case could be that super cork stuff they used to seal the prop shafts on the Walker.
    Earl Cola, Earl’s Lemon Fizz & Earl’s Root Beer would make him & his partners a mint. They could also experiment with some of the local mixes, Earl is after all a “cook”. Some sort of cinnamin or berry soda would be interesting. Plus this stuff would be great mixers to cut raw alcohol at parties or the Busted Screw. He has a ready market with the crew for starters, & even if the cats’s don’t care for some of the mixes, there’s the Empire, the Republic & even the New US as potentially huge markets.
    It’s a license to print money, a gold mine I tell you!

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    1. By Justin on

      I don’t know about Coke per se – the Company’s always been strongly protective of the formula – but definitely some kind of sarsaparilla analogue if they can find the right plants. Perhaps they could buy some lemons off the Imperials?

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        Lemons, limes, oranges all can be the base of a decent soda. Various berries also, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries & cherries come to mind. Coca leaves obviously for a Coke analog. Add a lot of sugar & some caffeine & other ingredients in small amounts to “adjust” the flavor of the base flavor. Most of Cokes ingredients are known, it’s the 7X ingredient that’s Top Secret. There are several Coke recipes out there & most of them agree on most ingredients. It’s the final finishing touch that’s so elusive. Anyone got a spectral analyzer on them?

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        1. By Charles Simpson on

          Pepper has his fingers in a lot of pies, perhaps Pepper will be the one to introduce Dr. Polta

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    2. By Steve White on

      Cool idea. Getting it up to a more industrial production might be challenging as you need lots of glass bottles — I have no idea if the Allies have glass bottle production (perhaps for IV fluids for the hospitals and field stations?). Plus, you’d want it to be something that both humans and lemurians would drink. Though your point about multiple “Earl’s” is a good one — one that humans tend to like and one that the cats like

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    3. By Lou Schirmer on

      I think they’re already making bottles for Polta, beer & raw alcohol, but ramping up for truly mass production may take some time.
      Everyone seems to like Polta, so as Charles suggests, maybe a Dr. Pepper/Polta variant? As an added bonus, it was invented in Texas!

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