March 18

The Worlds I’ve Wondered

 

lizardbirdDiscussions on the History, Flora and Fauna of the Destroyermen World from the perspective of Courtney Bradford.

As time goes by, this is where I will collect the meat and bones of Courtney’s “book,” The Worlds I’ve Wondered, and eventually post it as a separate semi-static category, still subject to editing and addition.  Your comments and observations are welcome!  I’ll include some of Courtney’s monologues from the series (few of which have ever appeared in the audios) and may expand on them with pics, maps–the works.  Or I may add entirely different “chapters.”

                                                           “The Worlds I’ve Wondered”

                                                                    Our History Here                                                  

By March 1, 1942, the war “back home” was a nightmare. Hitler was strangling Europe and the Japanese were amok in Pacific. Most immediate, from my perspective as a middle-aged Australian petroleum engineer stranded in Surabaya Java, the Japanese had taken Singapore and Malaysia, destroyed the American Pacific Fleet and neutralized their forces in the Philippines, conquered most of the Dutch East Indies, and were landing on Java. The one-sided Battle of the Java Sea had shredded ABDAFLOAT; a jumble of antiquated American, British, Dutch, and Australian warships united only by the vicissitudes of war. Its destruction left the few surviving ships scrambling to escape the Japanese gantlet, and for most, it was too late.

With a few other refugees, I managed to board the old American destroyer USS Walker, under the command of Lieutenant Commander Matthew Reddy. Whether fate, providence, or mere luck intervened, Walker and her sister Mahan, their gallant crews grimly winnowed by combat, were not bound for the same destruction which claimed their consorts in escape. Instead, at the height of a desperate action against the mighty Japanese battlecruiser Amagi, commanded by the relentless Hisashi Kurokawa, they were . . . engulfed by an anomalous force, manifested as a bizarre, powerful, squall–and their battered, leaking, war-torn hulks were somehow swept to another world entirely.

I say “another world” because, though largely geographically similar, there are few additional resemblances. It’s as if whatever cataclysmic event doomed most of the more frightening prehistoric life forms on “our” earth many millions of years ago never occurred, and those terrifying, fascinating creatures endured–sometimes evolving down a wildly different path. We quickly discovered “people,” however, calling themselves “Mi-Anakka.” They are highly intelligent, social folk, with large eyes, fur, and expressive tails. In my ignorance and excitement, I promptly dubbed them “Lemurians” particularly because of a vague, if more feline, resemblance to the giant lemurs of Madagascar. (Growing evidence may confirm they sprang from a parallel line, and only the most distant ancestor connects them to lemurs, but “Lemurians” has stuck). We just as swiftly learned these folk were engaged in an existential struggle with a species commonly called “Grik;”also bipedal, but somewhat “reptilian” with bristly crests and tail plumage, dreadful teeth and claws, and which were clearly descended from the Dromaeosaurids in our fossil record.

Aiding the first group against the second—Captain Reddy never had a choice—we made fast, true friends who needed our technical knowledge and expertise as badly as we needed their support. Conversely, we now also had an implacable enemy bent on devouring all competing life. Many bloody battles ensued while we struggled to help our friends against their far more numerous foes and it was for this reason I sometimes think, when I’m disposed to contemplate “destiny,” that we survived our previous ordeals and somehow came to this place. I don’t know everything about anything, but I do know a little about a lot. The same was true of Captain Reddy and his US Asiatic Fleet sailors. We immediately set about trying to even the odds, but militarizing the generally peaceful Lemurians was no simple task. Still, to paraphrase, the prospect of being eaten tends to focus one’s efforts amazingly, and dire necessity is the mother of industrialization. To this day, I remain amazed by what we accomplished so quickly with so little, especially considering how rapidly and tragically our “brain trust” was consumed by battle.

In the meantime, we discovered other humans—friends and enemies—who joined our cause, required our aid, or posed new threats. Even worse than the Grik, (from a moral perspective, in my opinion), was the vile “Dominion” in South and Central America. A perverse mixture of Incan/Aztecan blood-ritual tyranny with a dash of 17th century Catholicism flavoring the technology brought by those earlier travelers, the Dominion’s aims were similar to the Grik; conquest, of course, but founded on the principle of “convert or die.”

I still believe that, faced with only one of these enemies, we could’ve prevailed rather quickly. Burdened by both, we were unable to concentrate our forces and the war lingered on. To make matters worse, the Grik were aided by the madman Kurokawa who, after losing his Amagi at the Battle of Baalkpan, began to pursue an agenda all his own. And just as we came to the monumental conclusion that not all historical human timelines we encountered exactly mirrored ours, we began to feel the malevolent presence of yet another power centered in the Mediterranean. This “League of Tripoli” was composed of fascist French, Italian, Spanish, and German factions from a “different” 1939 than we remembered, and hadn’t merely “crossed over” with a pair of battle-damaged destroyers, but a powerful task force intended to wrest Egypt—and the Suez Canal—from Great Britain.

We had few open conflicts with the League at first, though they seemed inexplicably intent on subversion. Eventually we discovered their ultimate aim was to aid Kurokawa, the Grik, even the Dominion, just enough to ensure our mutual annihilation, and simultaneously remove multiple threats to the hegemony they craved. But their schemes never reckoned on the valor of our allies or the resolve of Captain Matthew Reddy. Therefore, when their Contre-Amiral Laborde, humiliated by a confrontation, not only sank what was, essentially, a hospital ship with his monstrous dreadnought Savoie, but also took hostages—including Captain Reddy’s pregnant wife—and turned them AND Savoie over to Kurokawa, we were caught horribly off guard. Tensions with the League escalated dramatically, though not enough to risk open hostilities that neither we—nor they—were ready for. (We later learned such had already occurred in the Caribbean, between USS Donaghey and a League DD, and that 2nd Fleet and General Shinya’s force had suffered a setback in the Americas at the hands of the Dominion.) But we had to deal definitively with Kurokawa at last, and do so at once. As powerful as he’d become and with a battleship added to his fleet, we simply couldn’t risk our invasion of Grik Africa with him at our backs.

Captain Reddy conceived a brilliant plan to rescue our friends and destroy Kurokawa once and for all, and in a rare fit of cosmic justice, the operation actually proceeded better than planned, resulting in the removal of one long-standing threat forever, and the capture of Savoie herself. The battle was painfully costly, however, and the forces involved too exhausted and ill-placed to respond when word came that the Grik were on the move. It became clear that all our hopes for victory depended on a heretofore reluctant ally; how quickly we (and Shinya) could repair, reorganize, and rearm; and the insanely, suicidally daring defiance of some very dear friends aboard the old Santa Catalina. . . .

Excerpt from the Foreword to Courtney Bradford’s “The Worlds I’ve Wondered”

University of New Glasgow Press, 1956



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Posted March 18, 2016 by Taylor Anderson in category "The Worlds I've Wondered

454 COMMENTS :

  1. By Joe Thorsky on

    Dispatches From the A&P:
    Recent observations and reports of strange unidentifiable aircraft flying?
    have been largely substantially and verified by local officials and are
    coming in tandem with a variety of other highly regarded and reputable
    reporting sources including those from coast watchers, local Civil Defense
    air raid wardens, NORAD and The Space Command. This does strongly suggest
    another portal insertion-extraction is or may be forthcoming or imminent (July?). Precautionary measures; including ordered activation of all Star Wars ABM assets at Area 51 may be required and necessary to be taken since the last of such similar and most recent of events has led directly to:
    Changing weather patterns suggesting another looming Ice Age coming together with simultaneous Global Planetary Warming.
    Disturbing changes in both migratory bird and animal patterns.
    Dyna Soars being in confused state and don’t know where to go
    Materialization of multiple Elvis impersonators and clones
    Numerous sightings of Amelia Earhart
    Wrong Way Corrigan Landing Right
    Skylab and Skylab Jr. not falling out of orbit to disintegrate into the Earth’s Atmosphere
    Flat Earth Society being proven right. Anchor and Secure those tethers before you all fall over the edge!
    Evil Knievil really did successfully make it across the Snake River Canyon in 74
    Columbus did discover America in the Far East
    UFO’s Oh? Really! do exist and are based and housed out of Areas 1 to50
    Secondarily; numerous modifications and adjustments are subtlety being made to our civilization’s historical record.
    Those already having been recently discovered and known about including such publicly known and insignificant ones as:
    Benedict Arnold successfully having seized Quebec Canada
    during the Revolutionary War. Canada, thus becoming one of the original 14 States of the Union and a signatory of The Declaration of Independence and an important ratifier of the US Constitution
    Lewis and Clark did find the Northwest Passage
    People unable or cannot “Remember the Maine”
    Since the details on a BB USS Maine ACR-1 which did not blow up in Havana Harbor, Cuba not available
    The Alamo, Goliad and Fort Sumpter successfully reinforced relieved and resupplied and their sieges successfully broken.
    Abner Doubleday didn’t invent baseball and The Cubs did win the pennant in 69.
    Let’s Play 2- Go Cubs Go!

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    1. By Steve Moore on

      Jeez, Joe, sounds like a wild alt-might party! Up Spirits, all! Although having hockey as the national sport might be a bit different.
      “Oh, somewhere the ice is racing-faat, the back meat sizzles hot, but there is no joy in Winnipeg when Mighty Casey fans his shot.”

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      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        Steve
        All I can say in reply is:
        Better start brushing up on speaking Canadianese
        with or without French accents.
        And of course, you already should know by now that
        basic fundamental concepts like crossing the Equator,
        the International Date Line and the Gregorian (As was superceded
        and replaced by the Taylorian) Calandar will only works in
        this historical timeline.

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        1. By Steve Moore on

          Eh, you got dat right, you! Good friend of mine in Maine was French-Canadian and always coming up with new expressions; keep your eye on the 8-ball and so forth. My favorite was when he took his wife to Montreal, came back and told me, “It’s so beautiful, it’s like another country.” Gotta love those Canadians, French or not.

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          1. By Joe Thorsky on

            Steve
            I’m still having trouble and difficulty interpreting and generally understanding the dialect and the spoken language which has been and is now prevalent throughout Chicago’s South Side.
            It’s the Kat’s Meow.!? and Oui? Vey!!!

            Here’s some tailored oversights, contrarian clarifications and unexpected explanations for youse all to wax poetic with.
            More questions for the RoB to answer in July??.
            As for the “NUS”-“anced” American Clan of 1847 almost all of it’s foreign & diplomatic, economic & trade and military relations and relationships and the policies that they had in actuality developed, implemented and fostered had been and is concurrently being conducted on an “as needed” , “necessary” and “whatever it takes” to maintain survival driven crackerjack philosophy.
            The very formulation and making of their adopted Foreign and Military policy “on the fly” and from a constant reinforcement state of actively “learning by doing” is Quixotically quite the remarkable accomplishment and achievement for all Destroyersmen
            scholars to evaluate…
            It is also of necessity to keep in mind that most noteworthy of contradictory and glaringly historical of contrarian reminders:
            There were? no veteran or experienced (military-political-economic) Leaders to draw counsel, seek advice or to rely upon since the US Civil War Timeline (circa 1860-1865) was not in any part of THEIR actual original timline history, experience and/or culture.
            Futuremore; this is just what can UNTIMEY happen to Events
            when almost 13 years of significant historical importance and
            past-future memory is suddenly made lost in the transition and is reformulated, remanufactured and remade in a fashion almost unrecognizable and unrealized given their current present state of existence (The Einsteinian repackaging equivalent of the pounding of a round dark matter peg into a square black worm hole).
            It tin candidly must? then follow that if there is no occurrence of The American Civil War then Abner Doubleday’s invention of baseball could not have possibly taken place.
            Softball questions all.
            Good Grief!!! Where’s Lucy!!!?
            Aspirins Anyone??!

        1. By Steve Moore on

          Naa, think I’ll leave the poetry to Alexey, Russians are all supposed to be poets.

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          1. By Joe Thorsky on

            Donald-Steve

            Prolific Writers Too!; especially when they’re in empire building mode.
            No Crime and Punishment in Dat!

          2. By Alexey Shiro on

            Sorry, but my poetry skills are near zero…

    1. By Alexey Shiro on

      I say; not much longer, unless the oxygen content in atmosphere is WAY higher. You see, insects are passive breathers; the oxygen is delivered into their body by direct diffusion from air, through the system of ventilation holes and channels. Problem is, this system limit the insect size very strictly; anything mora than a dozen centimeters, and the air would not be able to reach internal parts fast enough.

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  2. By Joe Thorsky on

    Now that The Coral Sea Lady Lex been rediscovered and
    found off Australia
    There’s another Ghost story that should also be read
    to memorialize not only this historic occasion but also
    the upcoming Doolittle Raid commemoration that’s on April 18.

    Though scattered thy sons o’er leagues of empire’s
    rim,
    Alien, remote, by severing wind and tide ;—
    Yet every Briton who knows thy blood in him
    In that dread hour will marshal to thy side:—
    And if thou crumblest earth’s whole frame will groan.
    God help this world, thou wilt not sink alone!
    —-From “The Collected Poems of Wilfred Campbell.’

    For your enjoyment and further contemplation and consideration
    there’s the unexplained and mysterious tale:
    An Anchor in the Graveyard by C.H.J. Snider

    Excerpts

    “Here, this won’t do!” I told myself. “You think of broadsides and then smell powder smoke. Wake up!”
    I walked to the scuttle butt, dipped a mug of water, and drank it to freshen my brain.
    Then, distinct from the resonance of the Windlass brake or the toll of the buoy, I heard the faint tinkle as of “three bells” striking—ding-ding! ding!—half past one. We had no automatic striker aboard the schooner. The sound was repeated, blurred and faint, as though we were in the midst of an unseen fleet.
    Looking up from my drink, I saw something which brought my heart to my mouth. Abeam of us was a vessel—a full-rigged ship, under all sail, with studdingsails out. My first impulse was to call all hands, but I choked down the cry. This was no ordinary one of the ships that pass in the night. She was square rigged on all three masts; and the last square-rigger vanished from the lakes when I was sailing toy boats in puddles. She had “single” topsails, that is, they were each in one great square of canvas, a rig which became obsolete fifty years ago. She had a spritsail, swinging from the bowsprit, a sail that has not been seen for a century, and her side was broken by a long line of open ports.
    But what convinced me above all that this was some trick of my brain and not a real vessel was the way she seemed to be sailing in the sky, making good progress in a breeze so light that we had lost steerage way. As I said, the water, even alongside, was invisible; but she seemed to be floating in the air, above the horizon. Another thing which proved her unreal was the very clearness of every detail in a fog which smothered our sight of our own crosstrees. She radiated a light which illuminated her without casting a shadow. At each port a brightness—perhaps a gunner’s match—— was glowing. Great horn lanterns pulsed like rising moons at each corner of the taifrail that ended her short high poop. Other lanterns, strung fore and aft, lighted up crowds of men, clustered around the guns, thronging the gangaways, manning the yards and fighting-tops.
    I could see, as plainly as in summer twilight, the colors of her Stars and Stripes, rippling in a fresh breeze, at her mizzengatf end, and a long, twisted streamer, blowing off from her maintruck. And I could see colored signal lights, blue and white and red, rise and sink on invisible halliards.
    She swept by, but a thin, black, curved line vibrated in her place, and moved in the direction she had passed, and in a moment there showed at the end of it, a squat little schooner, with an enormous cannon amidships and spars which raked till the maintruck overhung the taffrail.”…

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  3. By Joe Thorsky on

    Guys
    Very inciteful and cogent are all of the observations/analysis made concerning
    the nature and scope of what an agenda driven alliance the Lot seems to be.
    Its competing clash of cultures seems to be governing and dominating its top down
    committee style decision making process. (Organizational petrification/paralysis?)
    Should be of immense aid and help to everyone when Taylor’s ROB is finally released.

    “Because sometimes there aren’t any good choices.”
    “Sometimes you have to choose between something
    (Really!?) bad, and something worse.”-
    A citation from The Seventh Angel, Jeff Edwards
    Stealth Books

    “It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them. ” -G. Washington – Farewell Address

    From -The Lost War-Sloop
    by Edna Dean Proctor

    Oh, the woeful, woeful ending
    Of the pride of Portsmouth water!
    Never more to harbor nor to shore came she
    Springs returned but brought no tidings;
    Mothers, maidens, broken-hearted,
    Wept the gallant lads that sailed away in glee.

    Did the bolts of heaven blast her?
    Did the hurricanes o’erwhelm her
    With her starry banner and her tall masts three?
    Was a pirate-fleet her captor?
    Did she drift to polar oceans?
    Who shall tell the awful secret of the sea!

    Who shall tell? yet many a sailor
    In his watch at dawn or midnight,
    When the wind is wildest and the black waves moan,
    Sees a stanch three-master looming;
    Hears the hurried call to quarters,
    The drum’s quick beat and the bugle fiercely blown; —

    Roll Call mp3
    -Fish out of Water Album/
    Bounding Main

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  4. By Steve Moore on

    Presidents Day having come and gone, it struck me that the perfect analogy for the Squall is a furniture store with lots of portals between rooms. Plenty of different types of furnture, but no elevators to boost you ahead a few floors.

    Couldn’t find an analogy in new car sales, the other feature of Presidents Day. Other than the fact that most new cars look alike, sort of like four-wheeled biscotti.

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  5. By Joe Thorsky on

    Taylor-Everyone

    Washington and Lincoln mp3
    -Venice Garage Demos Album/
    Venice

    Abe Lincoln Went to Washington mp3
    – Lincoln and Liberty Album/
    Lost Radio Rounders

    As the President’s Day holiday is celebrated anew
    and we in our childlike awe solemnly commemorate
    the lives, the legacies and the meaning today of both
    Presidents G. Washington and A. Lincoln.
    A most appropriate and almost forgotten and timeless
    Poem to restir a faltering heart and comfort one’s soul
    suddenly comes to mind…
    Celebrating the holiday

    Juneteenth
    A celebration of the Texas -Oklahoma Holiday “Juneteenth”

    juneteenth.com
    Excerpts from © JUNETEENTH.com

    “Juneteenth is the oldest known celebration commemorating the ending of slavery in the United States. Dating back to 1865, it was on June 19th that the Union soldiers, led by Major General Gordon Granger, landed at Galveston, Texas with news that the war had ended and that the enslaved were now free. Note that this was two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation – which had become official January 1, 1863. The Emancipation Proclamation had little impact on the Texans due to the minimal number of Union troops to enforce the new Executive Order. However, with the surrender of General Lee in April of 1865, and the arrival of General Granger’s regiment, the forces were finally strong enough to influence and overcome the resistance.”

    General Order Number 3
    “One of General Granger’s first orders of business was to read to the people of Texas, General Order Number 3 which began most significantly with:
    “The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer.”
    “The celebration of June 19th was coined “Juneteenth” and grew with more participation from descendants. The Juneteenth celebration was a time for reassuring each other, for praying and for gathering remaining family members. Juneteenth continued to be highly revered in Texas decades later, with many former slaves and descendants making an annual pilgrimage back to Galveston on this date.”
    “Juneteenth Festivities and Food”
    “A range of activities were provided to entertain the masses, many of which continue in tradition today. Rodeos, fishing, barbecuing and baseball are just a few of the typical Juneteenth activities you may witness today. Juneteenth almost always focused on education and self- improvement”….

    Excerpts from:
    To The American People
    by Bayard Taylor

    “Throughout the Land there goes a cry:
    A sudden splendor fills the sky:
    From every hill the banners burst,
    Like buds by April breezes nurst;
    In every hamlet, home and mart,
    The fire-beat of a single heart
    Keeps time to strains whose pulses mix
    Our blood with that of Seventy-Six!”

    A Farmer’s Almanac Citation
    Lincoln for the Defense
    https://www.almanac.com/lincoln-almanac-murder

    “Abraham Lincoln Defends an Alleged Murderer
    The occasion depicted in the Rockwell painting is the 1858 murder trial of an Illinois man named William “Duff” Armstrong. Armstrong was accused of murdering James Preston Metzker with a “slung-shot”—a weight tied to a leather thong, sort of an early blackjack—a few minutes before midnight of August 29, 1857. Lincoln was a friend of the accused man’s father, Jack Armstrong, who’d just died, and so he offered to help defend young Duff Armstrong, without pay, as a favor to Jack Armstrong’s widow.
    The principal prosecution witness against Armstrong was a man named Charles Allen, who testified that he’d seen the murder from about 150 feet away. When Lincoln asked Allen how he could tell it was Armstrong given that it was the middle of the night and he was a considerable distance away from the murder scene, Allen replied, “By the light of the Moon.”
    How Lincoln Used the Almanac
    Upon hearing Allen’s testimony, Lincoln produced a copy of the 1857 edition, turned to the two calendar pages for August, and showed the jury that not only was the moon in the first quarter but it was riding “low” on the horizon, about to set, at the precise time of the murder. There would not have been enough light for Allen to identify Armstrong or anyone else, said Lincoln. The jury agreed, and Duff Armstrong was acquitted.”

    Hope Spring Training’s Ethermal
    In the midst of all of Winter’s falling snow
    Is that certainty that Spring’s arrival has arrived.
    Attending Traditional Opening Day Cubs and Sox Baseball
    Thus cannot be that far behind.
    Reading assignment- Baseball Training manuals
    Shoe Goes to Wrigley Field- Jeff MacNelly
    Pages 4-5,6-7,9,16,40-41,51 and 58
    The Athletic Shoe- Jeff MacNelly
    2-3,12,16,36,88-89 and 90-91

    Event Planning
    Equipment
    Winter Parka, Boots, scarf, gloves and hat
    Hot chocolate, Irish Coffee
    Chicago hot dogs or Maxwell Street Polish
    Peanuts, popcorn crackerjack
    Absolutely positively no sunscreen or snowcones!

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  6. By Joe Thorsky on

    Beyond Treason’s Harbor -Patrick O’brian
    The reoccurring theme of this book as set during the Napoleonic Wars/The War of 1812 is the manner conduct and the nature of the generational intelligence wars between the British and the French and amongst and between the various British services as represented in Malta. At any time one is hard pressed to discern and tell who is representing who and what is what-why.
    All disparate motives, intentions and the doubtful suspect allegiances of many eventually come into question and play throughout the tattletelling retelling of the story.
    It is meant to be, and the novel’s narrative well documents and covers the confusion of espionage and counter-espionage at play during that historically significant era quite well.

    FYI- Another Naval Last Stand
    Randolph vs Yarmouth 03/07/1778
    http://www.revwartalk.com/Battles-1778/03-07-1778-battles-battle-off-barbados-naval-battle.html

    On the Death of Captain Nicholas Biddle

    WHAT distant thunders rend the skies,
    What clouds of smoke in volumes rise,
    What means this dreadful roar!
    Is from his base Vesuvius thrown,
    Is sky-topt Atlas tumbled down,
    Or Etna’s self no more!

    Shock after shock torments my ear;
    And lo! two hostile ships appear,
    Red lightnings round them glow:
    The Yarmouth boasts of sixty-four,
    The Randolph thirty-two—no more–
    And will she fight this foe!

    The Randolph soon on Stygian streams
    Shall coast along the land of dreams,
    The islands of the dead!
    But fate, that parts them on the deep,
    Shall save the Briton, still to weep
    His ancient honors fled.

    Say, who commands that dismal blaze,
    Where yonder starry streamer plays;
    Does Mars with Jove engage! ‘
    Tis Biddle wings those angry fires;
    Biddle, whose bosom Jove inspires
    With more than mortal rage.

    Tremendous flash! and hark, the ball
    Drives through old Yarmouth, flames and all;
    Her bravest sons expire;
    Did Mars himself approach so nigh,
    Even Mars, without disgrace, might fly
    The Randolph’s fiercer fire.

    The Briton views his mangled crew;
    “And shall we strike to Thirty-Two”
    (Said Hector, stained with gore);
    “Shall Britain’s flag to these descend–
    Rise, and the glorious conflict end,
    Britons, I ask no more!”

    He spoke—they charged their cannon round,
    Again the vaulted heavens resound,
    The Randolph bore it all,
    Then fixed her pointed cannons true–
    Away the unwieldy vengeance flew;
    Britain, the warriors fall.

    The Yarmouth saw, with dire dismay,
    Her wounded hull, shrouds shot away,
    Her boldest heroes dead–
    She saw amidst her floating slain
    The conquering Randolph stem the main–
    She saw, she turned, and fled!

    That hour, blest chief, had she been thine,
    Dear Biddle, had the powers divine
    Been kind as thou wert brave;
    But fate, who doomed thee to expire,
    Prepared an arrow, tipped with fire,
    And marked a watery grave,

    And in that hour when conquest came
    Winged at his ship a pointed flame
    That not even He could shun–
    The conquest ceased, the Yarmouth fled,
    The bursting Randolph ruin spread,
    And lost what honor won.

    The Old Commodore mp3/ Derek Warfield

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    1. By Steve Moore on

      A good series; grew up with Hornblower, then switched to Richard Bolitho. When they made the movie, Russell Crowe hit the Jack Aubrey nail on the head.

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      1. By Joe Thorsky on

        Steve
        Pipe aboard all hands.
        A Second Patrick O’Brian novel you might consider in prep for ROB is
        The Far Side of the World -Patrick O’Brian

        As ferocity, pyrrhic victories and stalemate in The War of 1812 continues on to an inevitable uncertain unwinnable conclusion , Jack Aubrey sets course for Cape Horn on an urgent mission that’s after his own heart: intercepting a powerful American frigate that’s outward bound to interfere and interdict British Commercial interests by attempting to dismast, disrupt and neuter their burgeoning whaling trade.
        If they are unable and do not successfully neutralize this rascally American before she rounds the Horn, they are committed to and must follow her into the Great South Sea and as far across the Pacific wherever she may lead them. But Aubrey also has to cope with and address a series of disastrous events and regimens that overwhelms them in the Great South Sea and in the far reaches of the Pacific. Attending to while overcoming successive typhoons, storms, men overboard, castaways, encounters with savages, groundings, shipwrecks, murder, and criminal insanity is almost reason enough to reconsider and scuttle this mission even before it begins.
        All these various and tenuous fine-tuned interwoven and compressed plot twists are deceptively self-contained between and within the pages of only one novel!
        Just how remarkable is that!

        Stand by to recover the “Jolly” Boat!
        Another pertinent and recommended read in prep of Taylor’s ROB is
        All Brave Sailors: The Sinking of the Anglo-Saxon, August 21, 1940
        J. Revell Carr

        Publishers Weekly citation
        “In the war’s early days, the heavily armed German Raider Widder commonly disguised itself as a neutral Swedish freighter and pummeled unsuspecting enemy ships with massive artillery. On August 21, 1940, the victim of this remarkably effective (and much frowned upon) technique was the defenseless SS Anglo-Saxon, which came under attack off Africa’s western coast. What’s unique about this story is its aftermath: the German Raider Widder’s incredibly effective ambush method resulted in a fatality rate of 100% –
        but not this time. Seven seamen were able to escape undetected on a tiny, meagerly provisioned “jolly boat.”
        Their fate constitutes the utterly riveting heart of the book.”

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        1. By Steve Moore on

          To quote Elmer Fudd… “THOSE WASCALLY WANKEES!” Read Far Side and a few others, then got wrapped up in other stuff… started to get wordy (not as bad as Clancy, but still tedious)

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    1. By donald j johnson on

      When the grick party to South Africa was on his way to try and negotiate them to join the gricks they ran into a blizzard so I guess you could say it snows in South Africa at least in Taylors South Africa

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  7. By Joe Thorsky on

    As expected some very thoughtful and elegant postings all

    Aren’t all of these inner workings of Cultural Incorporation
    A sloppy messy interactive business after and before everything
    And anything is messiah made and done.

    A Brain Teether (Tether?) for you all to muse off and on about
    Charles Darwin
    The Voyage of the Beagle didn’t occur
    On the Origin of Species (1859) wasn’t written
    And the knowledge information transfer into
    Taylor’s Destroyermen World didn’t happen

    Inquery-Does evolution there even exist and how can it
    be explained away if no one knows anything about it?
    Now where did I put that copy of Thomas Aquinas’
    Summa contra gentiles (SCG) at?
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Darwin
    “Charles Robert Darwin, was an English naturalist, geologist and biologist, best known for his contributions to the science of evolution. He established that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors and, in a joint publication with Alfred Russel Wallace, introduced his scientific theory that this branching pattern of evolution resulted from a process that he called natural selection, in which the struggle for existence has a similar effect to the artificial selection involved in selective breeding.”
    Just giving a Neanderthal state of Art and Sciences Technology doesn’t
    Immediately and automatically confer the wisdom and the understanding to use it.

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    1. By Charles Simpson on

      There was a lot of insight into genetics both prior and post Darwin. My own guess is that had Charles Darwin not proposed the theory of natural selection being the driving force of change in species someone else would have.

      Human evolution or lack thereof has been influenced by cultural evolution, the biggest change was from hunter gatherers to herders farmers IMO.

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      1. By Alexey Shiro on

        I agree, that someone else would clearly propose such theory around this time – after all, Wallace came to similar conclusions at exactly the same time – but Darwin not only suggested the theory of evolution, he popularized it greatly. His “On the Origin of Species” was very popular, easy to understood & quite persuasive.

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        1. By Joe Thorsky on

          Evolution The Grand Design mp3/Symphony X
          My Friends:
          Natural Selectionly Insightful, but traversing from the
          “There and Then” to the new “Here and Now” isn’t just
          sloppy and messy, it’s somewhat fraught with numerous
          conundrums, inconsistencies and contradictions requiring
          a Heraclean Thomas Moore leap of scientific faith to
          adequately and satisfactorily explain them.
          Doesn’t it just evolutionary follow that there is “way out there”
          a conductor conducting.
          New World Symphony- Dvorak
          The Planets Symphony-Holtz
          Kitty Hawk mp3- James Horner Royal Liverpool Philharmonic
          March of the Bob Cats mp3/ BBC Big Band
          Demon Kitty Rag mp3 / Katenjammer
          The Kitty Kat Song mp3/ Lee Dorsey
          Evolutionistically Yours mp3/ Jozef Gatysik
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e2xs

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  8. By Justin on

    Okay, how about a lost US Cavalry detachment somewhere further inland? Even a partially-settled Arizona or New Mexico would expedite land travel from Cali to the NUS.

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    1. By Alexey Shiro on

      We knew too little about inner North America with the exception that it is inhabitated by some powers that were considered “pending problems” for NUS. And, frankly, such land journey of unprepared unit through unknown terrain would be… rather unpleasant. Especially under Destroyermens rather Death World conditions.

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      1. By Matt on

        Agreed, seems to be a bit of a stretch for a cavalry unit. They weren’t really equipped to be away from civilization for more than a few weeks at a time at the most. Seems to me it would be more likely to either be another group of Native Americans, but this time a North American tribe or a group of settlers/homesteaders. Perhaps 49ers or maybe French-Canadian fur trappers. A group like the Souix would be interesting because both they and the NUS would have reason to be wary of one another.

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        1. By Alexey Shiro on

          I still support the idea of isolationistic high-tech civilization enclave somewhere in inner North America. This fit a lot of known facts quite good; both the “pending problem” of NUS and the reason why Dom’s decided to widhtraw from Mexico after first war with 1847 Americans.

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          1. By Matt on

            How high tech are we talking though? I think getting in to scifi levels of tech is pushing it but a group with technology levels around discrete transistors would be interesting. Anything more would require such a long and diverse list of resources that I don’t think it’s possible to be isolationist. However North America in general and Canada in specific has a good reserve of rare earth metals so semi conductors could be in the cards.

          2. By Alexey Shiro on

            Higher than avaliable for Dom & NUS for sure. Maybe higher, than League. Probably without the actual ability to sustain tech base (i.e. they could not reproduce their tech), but clearly dangerous enough for Doms to pull out of Mexico after the war with NUS (which they won, lets not forget. And then they suddenly depopulated the whole area and get out of such valuable region. The only reason I could think about is that they were afraid of some third side, which could potentially push in, and the only way of defense in Doms weakened state was to make this area valueless)

          3. By Alexey Shiro on

            //. Anything more would require such a long and diverse list of resources that I don’t think it’s possible to be isolationist.//

            What if they don’t need such a long and diverse list?

            We are looking from standard position of industrial era; you need machines to make machines to make machines to make high-tech equipment. But what if we are talking about post-industrial someone? What if they have machines which could make anything, given sufficient raw materials?

            We already have a good approximation of this technology in therms of additive manufacturing – commonly known as 3D printing. The 3D printers already could print machine parts, complicated equipment, even computer microchips. There are even project to develope a printer which could print all its parts (i.e. reproduce)!

            What if we have small transfer group with 3D-printing technology on the level of, say, 50+ years from now? Do they need raw materials? Yes, but not in usual scale of “machines to make machines to make machines”; they need only enough, so their mega-3D printer could print nessesary final product. Do they need local workforce? Yes, but they don’t need to actually teach them anything, especially any scientific knowlege. They would be perfectly fine with having all knowlege for themselves, thus being “magical” elite over the commoners.

            The other Destroyermen’s world societies could not do that. They are industrial-era societies, which means that they need a awful lot of trained workers & engineers – i.e. those who understood what exactly are they doing here. They could not do any other way.

            But our hypotetical post-industrial group? They don’t need trained & educated locals; they don’t need industrial base outside of minimal, capable of providing power & resources for 3D-pringing equipment and other high-tech machinery. They don’t need engineers; they probably have engineering computer programs to make all calculations at least on basic level. So, they have no actual reason to NOT install themselves as sort-of “magocracy”, with transferers and their descendants as “magical” ruling elite, who have access to superior technology and knowlege, how it works and how to operate it. And local “commoners”, who live in ave of “magical powers” of elite.

            With such society, the expansion is, actually, not needed. The relatively small demand of resources could be satisfied without need to push more. Also, the expansion is… problematic, because for large-scale expansion (for example, conquest of Dom’s and NUS, not to mention Imperial colonies) you need not only a small number of high-tech equipment – wich your commoner soldiers could NOT understood – but also large number of mid-tech and low-tech equipment, which they COULD understood.

            For example; it you are bend on mantaining the high-tech magocracy, when only the small elite have actual understanding of scientific knowlege, you have reasons not to arm you commoner soldiers with automatic rifles. Such weapon could be understood, the basic principles of it could be deduced, and such weapon could be used against you.

            But you HAVE the reasons to arm your commoner soldiers with Awesome But Impractical laser rifles. Why? Because such weapon would be truly “magical” for peoples without extensive scientific knowlege. Even if they tried, they simply would not be able to understood, exactly how the laser worked. They could not mantain, reproduce, or even recharge such weapon without your – high-tech elite – direct involvement. And you could easily make sure, that such weapon could not be used against you in case of rebellion or something; small built-in reciever which, after recieving coded command, would “magically” turn the weapon off, thus making sure that “blessed weapon could not be used against Chosen Ones!”

            Problem is, while you probably could make (on your 3D-printing module) enough hand-held lasers to beat any Dom’s or NUS army that invaded your lands – just imagine the horror of Dom or NUS soldiers, if they suddenly started to be blown to bits or charred by BEAMS! – you hardly could build enough of them to actually took over Dominion or NUS. This would simply put too much strain on your limited 3D-printing capabilities, which are NOT well-suited for mass-production.

            The same for other means, too, like communication. You could safely gave your commoner soldiers “magical” cellphones with cameras & screens that allow them to see with awe your blessed face. They could not possibly understood, how this things worked. But if you gave them something simple – like, crystal radio – they MAY eventually understood, that there isn’t anything magical here. And, if your power are based on your monopoly on “magic”, you clearly did not want for any commoners to understood anything of it.

            Interesting speculation, aren’t they? :)

          4. By Matt on

            I see where you are coming from. Alexei but I think introducing such a society would be “jumping the shark”. We have had a lot of factions introduced in the last few books and they still need development and conclusions to their story arcs. Adding more, especially one so advanced would complicate the story and I don’t think it would add much to the narrative Taylor is making. I know there are some who would love to have a super advanced faction appear and have the reasons for the portal explained but I don’t think we need that. The story is at its heart about Matthew Reddy and his crew overcoming the odds and thriving on this hostile world against numerous enemies. Things need to stay within the realm of believability. Adding in a group that has technology that exceeds our own goes a little too far I think.

          5. By Alexey Shiro on

            Of course) It was just an interesting speculation. But interesting anyway.

          6. By Justin on

            Pretty much, Matt.

            And even if it happened, they wouldn’t cross over for another century or so – not without a time machine. Gotta queue up behind the LST en-route to Korea, the helos over Vietnam, and the Pattons in Iraq.

          7. By Alexey Shiro on

            Er.., Justin, the Squall IS time machine by definition. Not to mention that tech progress could go faster or just sooner in some parallel world in relation to our.

          8. By Justin on

            The Squall jumps you minutes or hours into the future, not decades… and I really can’t see 3D printers in the 19th/20th century Midwest unless we get a transfer of a transfer.

          9. By Charles Simpson on

            As noted we have story arcs enough. The new USA is not well know, nor is the League. We have little knowledge of the extent of ice sheets responsible for the lowering of sea levels. The interior of the continents is still a mystery, Terra incognita. We know the New USA has enemies on the North American continent, and that they know about the multiple worlds that have provided visitors, and that their US history is not the only one. The largest natural source of Cryolite needed to produce Aluminum is in Greenland and may well be under thick glaciers.

          10. By Alexey Shiro on

            //The Squall jumps you minutes or hours into the future, not decades…//

            Into the past, actually. Because time is flowing inside the Squall, and objects are delivered exactly on the corresponding location – not thrown into space or buried under Earth crust due to planet movement.

            This does not affect casuality, because we are talking about parallel worlds; cause & effect arent in the same universe.

            And if you have the ability to send objects a minute in the past, I see no reason why you could not send a hundred years.

          11. By Lou Schirmer on

            The squall sounds more like a portal between universes than a time machine. Maybe it’s a wormhole? But Alexey’s right in that technological advances could be spurred by different events in different timelines. Only those close to ours would be limited to WW2 tech. Rome might not have fallen & they have interstellar capability by now, or the plagues & Mongol invasions destroyed European civilization & something entirely different comes through, the possibilities are endless.

          12. By Justin on

            //Into the past, actually. Because time is flowing inside the Squall, and objects are delivered exactly on the corresponding location – not thrown into space or buried under Earth crust due to planet movement.

            This does not affect casuality, because we are talking about parallel worlds; cause & effect arent in the same universe.

            And if you have the ability to send objects a minute in the past, I see no reason why you could not send a hundred years.//

            As Lou said, it’s a portal (and bound to the surface of Earth at that). You enter the storm in 1760 or 1915 or 1942, you exit in 1760 or 1915 or 1942 some time later – that’s practically a rule by now.

            Halik hasn’t bumped into Israeli tanks from the Six Day War for the same reasons; not only would that seriously mess with the existing story, but it hasn’t happened yet.

            //But Alexey’s right in that technological advances could be spurred by different events in different timelines. Only those close to ours would be limited to WW2 tech. Rome might not have fallen & they have interstellar capability by now, or the plagues & Mongol invasions destroyed European civilization & something entirely different comes through, the possibilities are endless.//

            Sure, but would their “frequency” get picked up by this Squall. Seems like transfers from the 1632-verse (which is what you’d need to get cell phones and laser rifles in colonial Utah) would get dumped out in another world.

          13. By Alexey Shiro on

            Guys, “its a portal” means nothing, because what are the “portal” is not defined. If you means a wormhole, I must point out that wormholes could very easily connect points not in space (or inter-space, between the univerces), but in time as well.

            Time & space aren’t two different things – they are basically different sides of the same continuum. You could not “transfer the “Walker” into the same moment”, because there is no absolute scale for time even within one universe, far less between universes. The “Walker” moved – time for her slowed by definition. I agree, on such relative velocities like between moving “Walker” and, say, more or less stationary Surabaya, time dilation differences are hardly noticeable, but it actually existed and even could be measured.

            So, there is no such things as “just portals”. And exactly zero reason, why Squall couldn’t connect time points with more distance between them than milliseconds. Unless, of course, the Squall was PORGRAMMED NOT TO DO THAT.

          14. By Alexey Shiro on

            //Sure, but would their “frequency” get picked up by this Squall. Seems like transfers from the 1632-verse (which is what you’d need to get cell phones and laser rifles in colonial Utah) would get dumped out in another world.//

            First of all, we doesn’t know, is the “frequency” theory right or wrong.

            Secondly, we already have fauna from different worlds, that diverged from each other MILLIONS of years ago. Mountain fishes, for example; they must came from far different world, in evolutionary therms, than Earth, because Earth biology simply could not allow creatures of such size to exist.

            Thirdly, why you assumed that tech progress is some absolute scale? It isn’t; it is moved by wast combinations of factors. In the League’s roman origin world (where Roman Empire existed in X century), this combination would clearly be far different from our world. And some important discoveries could be done earlier, because different timeline led to different peoples being born and some inventors COULD came earlier.

            So, no, Justin, I could not agree with you on this point. POTENTIALLY, the Squall could brought up basically anything. Its actual selectiveness depend on what programming it recieved, or what intelligence is controlling the Squall – but not on some “constant laws of the universe”. Because there aren’t such laws.

          15. By Alexey Shiro on

            //The squall sounds more like a portal between universes than a time machine. Maybe it’s a wormhole? But Alexey’s right in that technological advances could be spurred by different events in different timelines. Only those close to ours would be limited to WW2 tech. Rome might not have fallen & they have interstellar capability by now, or the plagues & Mongol invasions destroyed European civilization & something entirely different comes through, the possibilities are endless.//

            Exacly, Louis!

          16. By Justin on

            The Spanish galleons didn’t arrive last book, and Mizuki Maru didn’t arrive a hundred years ago; as far as we know, time is linear on both worlds.

            Besides, since when did any ISOT make any scientific sense (or need to)? One moment, you’re somewhere, one moment later, you’re magically somewhere else, and we don’t need to know the mechanics because the Squall is a MacGuffin – with new factions introduced at the speed of plot – and the REAL story marches on with or without it.

            //In the League’s roman origin world (where Roman Empire existed in X century), this combination would clearly be far different from our world. And some important discoveries could be done earlier, because different timeline led to different peoples being born and some inventors COULD came earlier.//

            AFAIK, the Republic timeline and the League timeline aren’t the same thing.

            Absolutely. Yet butterflies only go so far – you’d need to get enough PODs for 2020-era tech centuries early, AND enough PODs for them to settle in the middle of nowhere (which was what the Midwest was back then, and arguably still is).

          17. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

            The only argument I have against Alexey’s X Century Romans diversion point being no different from a tech base with 3D Printing is this (and it does kind of support Courtney’s “frequency” theory). Consider–Even if it was a X Century Imperial (IE Western) Rome, it could’ve been floundering badly. It could also have been an Eastern “Rome” that maintained connection and traditions longer. Almost nothing is known of that other than what Garrett (Who’s admittedly no historian)suspects, and some few organizational/naming conventions hints. Courtney may have a better idea, but he spent most of his time figuring out the Gentaa–and he’s . . . different now anyway, with different priorities. He may have even figured EVERYTHING out by now, but without Matt to talk to, hasn’t spilled. The main point, however, is that OUR X Century timeline might not have been tremendously different from a weak, declining, X Century Rome timeline–compared to a fascist Europe timeline–and the X Century (or thereabouts) was when the transfer would’ve taken place, not after further centuries of diversion.
            And, of course, maybe Alexander didn’t croak and Macedonian hegemony lasted longer, as a greater competitor to Rome than it was. Again, possibilities are endless. My bet is, prior to X Century, there would’ve been few changes in weapons and warfare regardless. Maybe Alexander slapped his forehead and came up with stirrups. Think how dominant Macedonian cavalry would’ve been then?
            There’s a world-changer for you, Matthieu: Whoever it was who came up with stirrups–or whoever slapped their forehead and came up with the pan-covering frizzen (English) flintlock, rendering all previous, overly complicated firelocks obsolete. Hey! The socket bayonet! All sorts of little improvements that we take for granted had utterly profound effects, and were usually cooked up by some nameless dude, forgotten by time.

          18. By Steve Moore on

            Boy, you fellows were hammering the keyboards last night. For all the thoughts of tecnology transfer, though, it’d be interesting to see how some of the natives of this world create technological progress, instead of just having it handed to them.

    2. By Steve Moore on

      Well, in a couple of books or so, we have the opportunity to take on board those Avengers lost in the Bermuda Triangle. Get the NUS busy building an Guantanamo airfield for Fleashooters, and berthing space for Nancy/Buzzard/Clipper patrols, and they’ll have someplace to land. Not to mention, the Alliance gets some modern attack craft and more modern technology to copy. From Fred and Kari’s discoveries, we know there have been recent transfers in the Caribbean.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19

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      1. By Justin on

        Can’t remember when we had that discussion, but the consensus was that due to the “no real people” rule, they can’t be the same Flight 19 (Flight 18? 20?). Same reason Amelia Earhart wasn’t on Yap back in Rising Tides.

        Five Avengers and/or a Mariner would indeed be a good start for TBs.

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        1. By Steve Moore on

          OK, in their world, FDR’s still around and dancing up a storm at the White House Victory Ball…

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  9. By Taylor Anderson on

    Yeah, and I recently had to add an anti-spam service. Don called about this–and I got his voicemail a couple of days later–(I was away from phone service, dealing with rhino pigs with the .50-95)–but then it just went away! Don, sorry, but I just got a new phone too (I HATE new phones) and lost your number to call you back. Give me a shout if you like. Oh, and since I’m answering this on a different computer, I’ll bet a different booger comes up. Ain’t technology wonderful?

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    1. By Justin on

      I think it’s because of a different email, rather than a different computer. I’ve get the same booger posting at home and from the library.

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        1. By Lou Schirmer on

          Really? I have two for you. One might be through your publisher though.

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      1. By Justin on

        Hmm, maybe it’s the IP?

        (Goddamn, I didn’t think mine could get any uglier…)

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  10. By Justin on

    I wonder if there’s any lost expeditions roaming around the Congo? Probably not… but if the Union and/or Republic bump into several pith-helmeted Victorians riding a pack of Baryonyx, I damn well called it.

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      1. Taylor AndersonsBy Taylor Andersons on

        Sadly, probably not much better than an unarmed Lemurian. Especially if he goes around yodeling.

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      2. By Steve Moore on

        Hmmm, wonder if there’s a race of tree-swinging Grik-likes in the Heart of Darkest Africa. Or maybe cargo-cult workshipers, in thrall to a Trans-Africa air racer lost in the 30’s, French-speaking to boot.

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  11. By Justin on

    Speaking of natural wonders, all that glacial meltwater probably means colossal waterfalls up in Washington and Montana. For example, Dry Falls was twice as high and five times wider than Niagara – the Imperials really should think about putting that on the travel guide.

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      1. By donald j johnson on

        the flow down the Zambezi aught to make some impressive falls. i wonder how the Grik bypassed them to get their ships and barges down the Zambezi. would take very impressive engineering

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    1. By Steve Moore on

      Thinking about the power of falling water; another possibility for Baalkpaan industry after the war; hydropower. Lemurians supposedly are great pump designers, they’ve got generators knocked, and they’ve got great bracing designs. Not to mention, irrigation pumps and farm machinery for Austraal.

      Then, of course, that could segue into lock-building up the Zambezi with labor from the Free Grik Empire, into the heart of Darkest Africa. That’s probably about Book 21m I’d guess…

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      1. By Justin on

        Sure. More like Book 30, though – the nearest river, the Mahakam, is 100km north of Baalkpan. Any aspiring hydro engineers will likely have to start in the Republic or the colonies.

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        1. By Steve Moore on

          Was thinking of the colonies, but it’s also technology the NUS would understand, at least the dams and such.

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          1. By Justin on

            Sounds good… unless they start building in Yosimite or the Amazon, in which case the locals and/or Imperial naturalists (as in OTL) will understandably scream bloody murder.

  12. By Lou Schirmer on

    It’d be a pretty awesome sight, I think, watching the tides at the Pass del Fuego. Water draining out at both ends as the tide passes & then the surge when the tide comes back in. Depending on the width of the pass & shape of the entrance, you could have a wall of water over 100′ high coming in. It’d be like watching some sort of cosmic or biblical event each day. Make a hell of an artistic subject. Any ships IN the pass would be toast & the ships heading west had best be in a hurry after the initial bore fills the pass or they might not make it by the ebb & get caught in the pass when the next tide starts pulling water. They’d have to start well outside to be safe from the initial surge & probably only go with a good wind. How they get ships through going east would be an interesting problem. Figuring 60-100 miles of Pass, plus say a 10 mile safety zone & time for the initial surge to settle, the Dom ships would have to cover 70-110 miles in 10-11 hours. Heading east, the liners would probably need assistance from a high speed tug to make it through in time.

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    1. By Generalstarwars333 on

      There should totally be a scene from the pass of fire for a book cover. That’d be great. Or like a picture on the website. Someone with artistic skills exceeding stickfigures needs to get on this.

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    2. By Justin on

      There was a map back in Storm Surge: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/destroyermen/images/2/22/El_Paso_del_Fuego.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20151001102258

      It’s right on the border between Nicaragua and Costa Rica – about 200km long (125 miles) – but it’s also 30km wide, and there’s cities right on the coast, so it can’t be any more cataclysmic than a giant flash flood or the tide at Talbot Bay.

      As for crossing, don’t forget that they’d be going with the tide; the real problem seems to be navigating the currents and clearing the strait before the back-surge kicks in. Anson also notes that there’s a bay halfway through for the ships that won’t make it in time.

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      1. By Lou Schirmer on

        Yeah, saw that map & those bays on the north side would be great for concentrating a tidal surge, especially the first one, La Calma. The cities in the pass are probably set back some distance from the shore & their harbors would have some bodacious breakwaters to protect them.

        You’d be going with the tide whichever way you went, but the liners are slow enough, they might need help getting through before the tide swings the other way. I’d suppose it would depend on how deep the pass was as to how dramatic it would be. Maybe Taylor will let us know in some future book.

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      2. By donald j johnson on

        Using your figures then NO ship can make it in one tide. They will have 6 hours of tidal current in one direction then 6 hours in the other direction. if the tidal current is 6 knots and the ship can add another 6 knots then they can only go 72 knotical miles per tide. this means at least 2 tides or 3 tides per trek with an anchorage parking at the change of tide. This translates into at least a day and a half minimum. I do not feel that there will be a tidal bore problem as the tides themselves will scour the bottoms of the passage.

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      3. By Lou Schirmer on

        Looking at the map again, I still think there would be a respectable tidal bore going into the pass. The bay on the eastern side would cup the flow into the pass. There might even be some sort of standing wave there while the tide is coming in. I’ve seen something like that in bay & harbor entrances before. If an asteroid did hit there, there would probably be a significant depth change also. Looks like something took a bite out of Nicaragua between Monkey Point & San Juan del Norte & the bay at La Calma might be what’s left of Lake Nicaragua.
        As far as scouring out the pass, it depends on how long it’s been there & how deep the bedrock is.

        http://www.mapsland.com/maps/north-america/central-america-and-the-caribbean/detailed-political-map-of-central-america.jpg

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        1. By Lou Schirmer on

          OK, I’ve been checking out tidal bores & while most are not too dramatic, dangerous but not dramatic, some can get surreal. The “Silver Dragon” is a tidal bore on the Qiantang river in the city of Hangzhou China. Showing how land shape can change a regular tide into something spectacular. Several other videos out there, like the Bono in Indonesia.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAGABdvv5u8

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        2. By Justin on

          There seems to be one big semi-concentric hole where Bluefields would’ve been – that might be it. Still, even an asteroid-sized depth charge wouldn’t’ve cut a near-straight channel through a continent, nor triggered volcanoes.

          Central America formed in the first place when the Cocos and Caribbean plates collided and cut off the Central American Seaway. Perhaps they’re now sliding or drifting apart for some reason.

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          1. By Lou Schirmer on

            An asteroid strike could trigger local volcanoes, if they were anywhere near erupting, local fault lines also. I could see it opening things up to Lake Nicaragua, but as you say, not all the way. The fault lines & plates may be slightly different in that world & with most of the volcanoes on the western side of the country, a large caldera collapse near the coast might finish the job.

            Or, an asteroid strike may have shifted things enough that the Central American Seaway never closed completely & is just now in the process of closing.

          2. By Lou Schirmer on

            One hyperlink doesn’t get moderated. Two or more do. Probably an anti-spam measure by your IT guy.

      4. By Paul Smith on

        would it be possible to put a lock system in El Paso del Fuego, like put in a cofferdam on one side of the pass, then after it’s finished, put one on the other side? Do this at both ends, then during slack tide, fill in the gap between them? do this in sections at a time. I’m no hydraulic engineer, so I have little experience with the pressures and flows on such a project.

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        1. By Justin on

          Given that you’re trying to hold back the entire ocean with these locks, I’m not very optimistic on this one.

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        2. By Alexey Shiro on

          …With 1960+ level of technology – probably. Still I doubt that such procedures could really be made without land-moving nukes (offtop, I know, but USSR used almost 200 nuclear charges in peaceful programs – land moving, large-scale engineering projects, geophysical research, putting out the catastrophic fires on the oil & gas deposits… Small-scale nukes could be really useful for engineering, if you use them properly.)

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        3. By Charles Simpson on

          The canal system depends on reservoirs to provide water to raise the level in the locks that goes down hill. The area is earthquake and volcanically active, bad news for reservoirs, well the dams at least 😉

          Sea water weighs 64 lbs per cubic foot so each foot of depth adds 64 lbs. / Ft cubed x 1 foot squared/ 144 square inches or 0.44444 PSI per foot of depth IE 10 ft 4.4444 PSI, 100 feet 44.444 PSI 1,000 feet 444.44 PSI.

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          1. By Steve Moore on

            Well, there might be the possibility of some geographic features that would be suitable for tidal hydro plants

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